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Frankie 01-18-2013 11:05 PM

Would you take Te'o with the 2nd round pick?
 
With the scandal it could be possible that teams might shy away from Manti Te'o in the 1st round. He does play a position that is a need for the Chiefs. We have recently stolen a first round quality LB (Houston) in the 3rd round in a loosely similar situation.

With all that in mind, and assuming the Chiefs take care of the QB need in the 1st, are you for or against taking Te'o in the 2nd if he's still on the board?

I'm torn on this scenario myself. Frankly I'm always very dubious of media hypes for Notre Dame players. Until I heard about this "fantastic" ILB later in the season I hadn't seen him in action. I must say I have watched him in 3 games since then and am not impressed. Maybe not even as a 2nd rounder. Maybe he was spectacular until I started watching him, but I doubt it. Has anyone here watched him all season or last season and can convince me he's worth our 2nd rounder?

Ebolapox 01-18-2013 11:09 PM

I'd **** a certain person's iranian mother for a second round pick *shrug*

sorry, couldn't resist :)

HolyHat 01-18-2013 11:10 PM

No thanks, I don't see him being very good in the NFL. And I don't want to deal with the drama of having him around.

hometeam 01-18-2013 11:10 PM

nope, even before the bullshit.

HolyHat 01-18-2013 11:11 PM

He looks slow and small against real competition.

BossChief 01-18-2013 11:15 PM

I'd take him in the second. He is a good coverage linebacker and in today's NFL, Hali and Houston coming off the edges with Teo and DJ dropping back could prove to really help this defense.

Th guy has some issues, no doubt,..but so do most linebackers.

TLO 01-18-2013 11:16 PM

If he falls that far then yes. His upside is a lot higher than most of the players that will be avaliable.

Silock 01-18-2013 11:17 PM

5th or lower only

Psyko Tek 01-18-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9332066)
No thanks, I don't see him being very good in the NFL. And I don't want to deal with the drama of having him around.

THIS
and thought he was an OL?
we got that

Hoover 01-18-2013 11:53 PM

I worry about how other players would be treat Te'o in the locker room. How would he every be able to earn trust respect. Ya never know if he's telling the truth.

Bump 01-18-2013 11:54 PM

lol, too many chiefs fans wanted him with the #1 a month ago lolol

Hoover 01-18-2013 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9332149)
lol, too many chiefs fans wanted him with the #1 a month ago lolol

not here.

Rain Man 01-18-2013 11:58 PM

According to the trade charts, psychopathic behavior moves a player down less than one round if he plays defense, so yes, I'd take him in the second.

CoMoChief 01-19-2013 12:00 AM

Not if Wilson's there.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-19-2013 12:03 AM

From the standpoint of his NFL future, he would have been better off dry fisting a live girl than lying about talking to a dead one. The cultural priorities of the locker room aren't the same as other spaces. Hence the anathema of being gay.

AustinChief 01-19-2013 12:04 AM

Since our 2nd is at the VERY top of the 2nd round... NO, but it it was mid to late 2nd I would.

Chiefshrink 01-19-2013 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9332073)
He looks slow and small against real competition.

This !! He is too small and will get dominated.

HolyHat 01-19-2013 12:05 AM

Ok, I'd take Te'o in the second...BUT, only if we get his girlfriend in the 3rd

007 01-19-2013 12:15 AM

nope. He is just Mike Maslowski 1.5

Psyko Tek 01-19-2013 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9332177)
Ok, I'd take Te'o in the second...BUT, only if we get his girlfriend in the 3rd

3rd really?
I would trade Cassel for her

AndChiefs 01-19-2013 12:18 AM

Not with a ten foot pole.

HolyHat 01-19-2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 9332199)
Not with a ten foot pole.

Geno Smith ends up in all threads, no matter what.

Unsmooth-Moment 01-19-2013 12:29 AM

I'd rather have a WR/TE. Maybe in the 3rd.

BossChief 01-19-2013 12:32 AM

Haha

It would be ****ed up to replace Belcher (who killed his girlfriend) with Teo (who acted like his made up girlfriend died)

AussieChiefsFan 01-19-2013 12:41 AM

Nup

DaneMcCloud 01-19-2013 12:42 AM

No way.

I said way back in December (maybe November) that he was slow as shit and was basically a poor man's Rey Maualuga, who lasted until the second.

Unless the guy runs a 4.43 (which he won't - maybe a 5.43), he's a 4th rounder.

Sorter 01-19-2013 12:45 AM

I wouldn't want him on my team in any capacity. Same with Tebow.

AndChiefs 01-19-2013 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9332228)
No way.

I said way back in December (maybe November) that he was slow as shit and was basically a poor man's Rey Maualuga, who lasted until the second.

Unless the guy runs a 4.43 (which he won't - maybe a 5.43), he's a 4th rounder.

Yep, even before the national championship I had him pegged at 4th-5th rounder. Now...6th maybe. I'm just not impressed with him at all.

Chiefs Pantalones 01-19-2013 01:27 AM

He's a Hawaiian Mike Maslowski. Hell to the no.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 01:36 AM

Have someone call him in the 2nd and pretend to draft him maybe.

Sorter 01-19-2013 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9332313)
Have someone call him in the 2nd and pretend to draft him maybe.

The old Sanu strategy. I love it.

Chiefspants 01-19-2013 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9332300)
He's a Hawaiian Mike Maslowski. Hell to the no.

Maz could tackle.

MMXcalibur 01-19-2013 01:41 AM

2nd, no. 3rd , sure.

RealSNR 01-19-2013 01:45 AM

There are so many good players that could drop out of the 1st round. I'd rather have all of them than Te'o.

Hell, there are so many good players that could drop out of the 2ND round. I'd rather have all of them than Te'o.

So... no.

NJChiefsFan 01-19-2013 01:46 AM

It's amazing that Kiper and others ever had him mocked for 1st overall. And that's before all this crap.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-19-2013 01:46 AM

Trade down and draft him/Homo

Crush 01-19-2013 07:29 AM

**** NO

the Talking Can 01-19-2013 07:31 AM

a high second?

no ****ing way...scandal or no scandal

BigMeatballDave 01-19-2013 07:37 AM

Absolutely not

Icon 01-19-2013 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 9332211)
I'd rather have a WR/TE. Maybe in the 3rd.


This

Fat Elvis 01-19-2013 10:53 AM

I'll go against the grain here and say "yes." I think the guy is incredibly gullible, but he has a nose for the ball. He's not the fastest guy, he's not the biggest guy, he's not the strongest guy--but the guy does have pretty good fundamentals (aside from the BCS game, and lets face it, he was pretty distracted that game) and he had 7 INTs this past year. You don't wind up with 7 INTs as a MLB by luck. With our (supposed) shift to an attacking defense, I think he would be a perfect addition to our front seven. We're in a pass happy NFL now, folks.

Get DRC and Jarius Byrd and I think we could have an elite D as I think our D-line will be much improved if we just let them loose.

Red Dawg 01-19-2013 11:26 AM

Hell yes you take him in the second. No brainer. It won't happen because there's no way in hell he makes it out of the first.

Mr. Laz 01-19-2013 11:57 AM

Maybe, depends on who else is available.


probably not though because our 2nd rd pk is almost in the 1st rd and middle linebacker is a mid rd value position.

Frankie 01-19-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9332146)
I worry about how other players would be treat Te'o in the locker room. How would he every be able to earn trust respect. Ya never know if he's telling the truth.

It may turn out that he was duped too. In the end his only sin might be being a stupid kid going along with the publicity. That, if the case can be forgiven.

But this is a guy who has been talked about as a possible first pick in the draft. To me that's laughable. Having watched him in the late season games I saw nothing that told me he is even a 3rd rounder. Again I defer to not having followed his career before the late 2012 games. So I don't know.

Frankie 01-19-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9332165)
Not if Wilson's there.

Correct. That's IF we haven't drafted a QB in the 1st.

milkman 01-19-2013 11:59 AM

A MLB/ILB with marginal speed to cover?


Not a ****ing chance.

Mr. Laz 01-19-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9333040)
Correct. That's IF we haven't drafted a QB in the 1st.

I'm not sure that matters


If Tyler Wilson is there in the 2nd round i think we have to seriously consider selecting him EVEN IF we have already selected Geno Smith.


Not only could he provide an insurance policy and valuable depth, he could also be traded for a 1st round pick later on if he turns out to be good.

Frankie 01-19-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9332215)
Haha

It would be ****ed up to replace Belcher (who killed his girlfriend) with Teo (who acted like his made up girlfriend died)

WOW, good observation. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9332228)
No way.

I said way back in December (maybe November) that he was slow as shit and was basically a poor man's Rey Maualuga, who lasted until the second.

Unless the guy runs a 4.43 (which he won't - maybe a 5.43), he's a 4th rounder.

More like what I think of him. But then I repeat, my idea of him was only formed after watching him in parts of two late season games plus the National Champ game.

notorious 01-19-2013 12:13 PM

Combine.

Mr. Laz 01-19-2013 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9333057)
Combine.

that too

He will have to show enough speed and quicknees to be able to handle NFL level talent or his stock will drop like a rock.

CaliforniaChief 01-19-2013 12:20 PM

Yeah, he would never fall for a fake.

You can't overstate the role that his "story" played in his evaluation. It pointed to him as a leader, as strong, the kind of guy you want on your team.

Whether he played a role in the hoax or not, that story isn't really his story and now you're forced to look at him as just another MLB draft prospect.

I'd take Minter, Ogletree, A. Jackson, Nico Johnson, and Shayne Skov before I'd take Te'o.

Frankie 01-19-2013 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9333044)
I'm not sure that matters


If Tyler Wilson is there in the 2nd round i think we have to seriously consider selecting him EVEN IF we have already selected Geno Smith.


Not only could he provide an insurance policy and valuable depth, he could also be traded for a 1st round pick later on if he turns out to be good.

If teams know we NEED to get rid of a QB they won't give us a 1st for him.

milkman 01-19-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9333076)
If teams know we NEED to get rid of a QB they won't give us a 1st for him.

Why would we need to get rid of back up QB?

notorious 01-19-2013 12:45 PM

The writers that said we needed to take this douche dragon at #1 need to be fisted by Andre the Giant.

SAUTO 01-19-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9333044)
I'm not sure that matters


If Tyler Wilson is there in the 2nd round i think we have to seriously consider selecting him EVEN IF we have already selected Geno Smith.


Not only could he provide an insurance policy and valuable depth, he could also be traded for a 1st round pick later on if he turns out to be good.

this.
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Mr. Laz 01-19-2013 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9333076)
If teams know we NEED to get rid of a QB they won't give us a 1st for him.

with the new draft salary slotting there wouldn't be any NEED to get rid of a QB. It would totally be a voluntary/value move.

Mr. Laz 01-19-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9333094)
this.
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't think i would for any other QB but if we have a chance to get the 2 best QB's in the draft(imo) then you have to seriously consider it.

I have Geno/Wilson as my #1/#2

Frankie 01-19-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333077)
Why would we need to get rid of back up QB?

I wouldn't consider a QB I pick at the top of the 2nd, "back up." I consider him insurance in case the #1 busts. If they don't bust then we will have 2 high salaried players and will keep only one. Other teams will know that. The scenario I replied to was Geno in the 1st and Wilson in the 2nd. The author was suggesting that we then could trade Wilson away for someone's 1st.

And BTW, until further data, I consider Wilson in the 2nd a much wiser pick than Geno in the 1st. Unless Geno in the 1st is a result of trade down and Dorsey has raped a team out of a bunch of draft choices for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9333124)
with the new draft salary slotting there wouldn't be any NEED to get rid of a QB. It would totally be a voluntary/value move.

I just strongly doubt Dorsey will go QB 1 & 2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9333128)
I have Geno/Smith as my #1/#2

WHAAA???!!!

keg in kc 01-19-2013 04:59 PM

No.

He was exposed in the title game for what he is, an okay college player that had his reputation blown up by the Notre Dame hype machine. He was completely overmatched by Alabama's players, and it'll be even worse on the field against an NFL roster.

Saccopoo 01-19-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9333065)
Yeah, he would never fall for a fake.

You can't overstate the role that his "story" played in his evaluation. It pointed to him as a leader, as strong, the kind of guy you want on your team.

Whether he played a role in the hoax or not, that story isn't really his story and now you're forced to look at him as just another MLB draft prospect.

I'd take Minter, Ogletree, A. Jackson, Nico Johnson, and Shayne Skov before I'd take Te'o.

Jon Bostic, Florida, is an absolute animal at MLB.

saphojunkie 01-19-2013 05:02 PM

God you people get so regarded sometimes.

wazu 01-19-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9333561)
God you people get so regarded sometimes.

Give em hell, man.

wazu 01-19-2013 05:13 PM

Never go full regard.

HonestChieffan 01-19-2013 05:44 PM

No. Dude has serious issues. Do not need his head issues

FRCDFED 01-19-2013 06:12 PM

What about Andrew Jackson, ILB, Western KY? Dude has good size at 265. anyone seen him play?

htismaqe 01-19-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRCDFED (Post 9333658)
What about Andrew Jackson, ILB, Western KY? Dude has good size at 265. anyone seen him play?

Going back to school I believe.

FRCDFED 01-19-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9333661)
Going back to school I believe.

thanks

milkman 01-19-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9333553)
I wouldn't consider a QB I pick at the top of the 2nd, "back up." I consider him insurance in case the #1 busts. If they don't bust then we will have 2 high salaried players and will keep only one. Other teams will know that. The scenario I replied to was Geno in the 1st and Wilson in the 2nd. The author was suggesting that we then could trade Wilson away for someone's 1st.

If we selected Wilson as insurance, and didn't need to cash in that policy, then he'd be a backup.

That's the first thing.

The second is that no one is going to trade a first for a back up.

The third is, as a second round pick, he is not going to be "high salaried".

Quote:

And BTW, until further data, I consider Wilson in the 2nd a much wiser pick than Geno in the 1st. Unless Geno in the 1st is a result of trade down and Dorsey has raped a team out of a bunch of draft choices for it.



I just strongly doubt Dorsey will go QB 1 & 2.



WHAAA???!!!
You are not going to get Tyler Wison in the second round in any case.

Smith and Wilson will both likely be top 7, and there will likely be 4 QBs taken overall in the first round.

BlackHelicopters 01-19-2013 06:57 PM

He looks slower than Jon Baldwin. No.

DeezNutz 01-19-2013 07:00 PM

I wouldn't **** with Te'o with Houston's pick.

NJChiefsFan 01-19-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333730)

You are not going to get Tyler Wison in the second round in any case.

Smith and Wilson will both likely be top 7, and there will likely be 4 QBs taken overall in the first round.

And even if by some crazy chance he did make it out of the first round, there is no way on earth you could have counted on it happening to the point where you pass up on Geno expecting Wilson to fall to you in the 2nd. Or any of the rest of these "potential" QB's for that matter.

Frankie 01-19-2013 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9333730)
.....
The second is that no one is going to trade a first for a back up......

So you are basically agreeing with my reply.

milkman 01-19-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9334260)
So you are basically agreeing with my reply.

No, you dumbass.

I am saying you're a stupid ****er if you think you're going to get a first round pick for a back up QB.

Frankie 01-19-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9334262)
No, you dumbass.

I am saying you're a stupid ****er if you think you're going to get a first round pick for a back up QB.

No need to call me names. This didn't go well the last time you started doing this in a draft season. Since then I have kept a very civil posture toward you.

If you read the exchange you originally replied to you will find out that I AM the one who is saying that no one will give us a first for a 2nd round pick. That is unless YOU are a stupid ****er.

DeezNutz 01-19-2013 10:17 PM

Vaseline warning issued.

milkman 01-19-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9334294)
No need to call me names. This didn't go well the last time you started doing this in a draft season. Since then I have kept a very civil posture toward you.

If you read the exchange you originally replied to you will find out that I AM the one who is saying that no one will give us a first for a 2nd round pick. That is unless YOU are a stupid ****er.


Prove it.

Frankie 01-19-2013 10:19 PM

52 and 53.

You can apologize after you read them.

milkman 01-19-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9334301)
52 and 53.

You can apologize after you read them.

Your point is that we would not get a 1st round pick for a QB that every team knew we had to get rid of.

Not relevant.

Frankie 01-19-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9334305)
Your point is that we would not get a 1st round pick for a QB that every team knew we had to get rid of.

Not relevant.

I guess this is your form of apology.

Accepted.

milkman 01-19-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9334310)
I guess this is your form of apology.

Accepted.

That is not any form of apology, you useless ****ing dipshit.


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