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Direckshun 04-27-2013 04:17 PM

Where we are, roster-wise. Volume 2013.
 
I've done this every offseason as a way to track the myriad of players that this team will compile over the next few weeks.

On we go:

QB
Alex Smith
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray

RB
Jamaal Charles
Knile Davis
Cyrus Gray

FB
Anthony Sherman

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Dexter McCluster
Junior Hemingway
AJ Jenkins
Chad Hall

TE
Anthony Fasano
Sean McGrath
Travis Kelce
Kevin Brock

OT
Branden Albert
Eric Fisher
Donald Stephenson

OG
Jon Asamoah
Jeff Allen
Geoff Schwartz
Rishaw Johnson

C
Rodney Hudson
Eric Kush

NT
Dontari Poe
Anthony Toribio
Jaye Howard

DE
Mike DeVito
Tyson Jackson
Allen Bailey
Mike Catapano

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Frank Zombo
James-Michael Johnson

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Akeem Jordan
Dezman Moses
Nico Johnson

CB
Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Marcus Cooper

S
Eric Berry
Kendrick Lewis
Husain Abdullah
Quintin Demps
Ron Parker

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

LS
Thomas Gafford

Injured Reserved -- Designated To Return
CB Sanders Commings

Practice Squad
TE Demetrius Harris
WR Frankie Hammond Jr.
OL Rokevious Watkins
FB Toben Opurum
ILB Darin Drakeford
S Malcolm Bronson
S Bradley MacDougald

Deberg_1990 04-27-2013 04:18 PM

I like it. I like it alot.

Pitt Gorilla 04-27-2013 04:20 PM

Our DE rotation still looks weak.

O.city 04-27-2013 04:20 PM

Commings has already been said to be a safety

Micjones 04-27-2013 04:20 PM

I think Sanders Commings will be part of that Safety group.

aturnis 04-27-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9638072)
Our DE rotation still looks weak.

Our OLB group looker weaker

Direckshun 04-27-2013 04:21 PM

Yeah, and also Catapano is an OLB.

All of this will be corrected. Uno momento.

Direckshun 04-27-2013 04:23 PM

Done.

This will be updated throughout the offseason, starting with tomorrow, once the UDFA frenzy slows down.

BlackHelicopters 04-27-2013 04:24 PM

A success all the way around.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2013 04:24 PM

The DL is hot garbage. Safety is relying on multiple conversion projects (if you assume ****a is switching).

We've improved at RT. I don't see Avery as much more than Breaston, if that. TEs look deeper, but none of them are all that inspiring.

Looks like a 6-10 team.

tk13 04-27-2013 04:26 PM

Everyone says Robinson and Commings might be switching to safety... I don't know. We definitely need some actual safety depth, haven't had it for years. But at the same time we can't put 6 safeties on the field.

58-4ever 04-27-2013 04:27 PM

I'm wondering if we now try and sign another receiver. Maybe Brandon Lloyd? Maybe Early Doucet?

O.city 04-27-2013 04:28 PM

People are down on kelce. He might be the best te in the draft 2 years from now

58-4ever 04-27-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9638096)
The DL is hot garbage. Safety is relying on multiple conversion projects (if you assume ****a is switching).

We've improved at RT. I don't see Avery as much more than Breaston, if that. TEs look deeper, but none of them are all that inspiring.

Looks like a 6-10 team.

Yeah, I agree with most of this. I think DeVito is an underrated and ascending defensive lineman. Safety and receiver are certainly still holes, depending on how you look at it. With our last place schedule, I can see an 8-8 season.

58-4ever 04-27-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9638111)
People are down on kelce. He might be the best te in the draft 2 years from now

We will see. I think he has some of the better physical tools, that's for sure.

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9638111)
People are down on kelce. He might be the best te in the draft 2 years from now

remember when people said trading up for Tony Moeaki was going to be the best TE from that draft too?

and he ended up being like, the worst.

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:30 PM

i thought Catapano was going to be a DE ala Wallace Gilberry

O.city 04-27-2013 04:31 PM

Moeaki is now the 3 te on the team.

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:32 PM

which is really, really sad because he was a 3rd round pick we traded up for.

great drafting value Chiefs.

Deberg_1990 04-27-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9638096)

Looks like a 6-10 team.

I can see 6 wins, i can also envision 10 wins.

It all depends on A. Smith, and if Reid can get more out of Piiolis underachieving high picks.

O.city 04-27-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9638130)
which is really, really sad because he was a 3rd round pick we traded up for.

great drafting value Chiefs.

Yep.


Actually I think Jordan reed ends up being the best te from this class, but I really liked kelce pre draft

farmerchief 04-27-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9638111)
People are down on kelce. He might be the best te in the draft 2 years from now

When I read one reviewer state the NFL TE he most reminded him of, was "Gronk", that was good enough for me .:clap:

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9638139)
Yep.


Actually I think Jordan reed ends up being the best te from this class, but I really liked kelce pre draft

I also like Kelce, but I knew this new regime was going to draft players that trump all the role players picked in the prior 4 year window

which sucks, because we essentially wasted a bunch of drafts. Logjammed a bunch of young players that have never got to show any production or get their feet wet and are already replacing them with new players lol

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-27-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9638134)
I can see 6 wins, i can also envision 10 wins.

It all depends on A. Smith, and if Reid can get more out of Piiolis underachieving high picks.

Most of Pioli's underachieving picks will be cut.

Menzie, Brown, Lewis, Gray, Moeaki, Baldwin, and possibly Jeff Allen might not make this team.

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:39 PM

i cant even logically see a scenario where guys like Jalil Brown survive to the final 53. Just beaten out by the numbers this year and dont have daddy GM to protect them

O.city 04-27-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9638150)
I also like Kelce, but I knew this new regime was going to draft players that trump all the role players picked in the prior 4 year window

which sucks, because we essentially wasted a bunch of drafts. Logjammed a bunch of young players that have never got to show any production or get their feet wet and are already replacing them with new players lol

Yeah the previous regime was just awful all around. Sucks


But I actually liked this draft. It was a depth type draft

Deberg_1990 04-27-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9638152)
Most of *****'s underachieving picks will be cut.

Menzie, Brown, Lewis, Gray, Moeaki, Baldwin, and possibly Jeff Allen might not make this team.

Perhaps. I was talking mainly about guys like TyJack, Baldwin, McCluster, Poe....

mcaj22 04-27-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9638160)
Yeah the previous regime was just awful all around. Sucks


But I actually liked this draft. It was a depth type draft

i liked this draft too, because i spent four years hating the other drafts and this is technically the new regimes attempt to negate those.

i knew the Scooter draft pick purge was coming in year 1.

O.city 04-27-2013 04:41 PM

I like brown as a special teamer that's about it


But yeah a good part of those guys are gone

Simplicity 04-27-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9638152)
Most of *****'s underachieving picks will be cut.

Menzie, Brown, Lewis, Gray, Moeaki, Baldwin, and possibly Jeff Allen might not make this team.

Moeaki wasn't underachieving...?

Mr. Laz 04-27-2013 04:46 PM

didn't Lilja come back?

crazycoffey 04-27-2013 05:01 PM

It's horrible! I hate it! We can do better. Guess it could be worse. It's really not too bad. I actually kind of like it. It's brilliant!

Rain Man 04-27-2013 05:02 PM

My thoughts with color coding. Green = I'm happy. Orange = somewhat concerned. Red = Problem.

QB - (sigh)

RB - Charles makes it great. I don't know if this new guy will spell him or not. It sounds like he's the most talented running back in the hospital every week.

FB - We drafted a fullback? Nobody drafts a fullback any more. I think we're okay here. I actually like DiMarco last year.

WR - This is going to be the most interesting training camp battle. If Baldwin would develop like a first round guy should, it could actually be a pretty good unit. If Baldwin remains Baldwin it's going to be kind of deep but with a low ceiling.

TE - At least we have enough guys that injuries won't hurt us too bad. Pretty meh, but adequate.

OT - If Albert plays with passion we're strong. I liked Stephenson last year, too, despite the one bad game. He showed promise. (We still should have taken Russell Wilson, though.)

OG - Seems deep, if not astounding.

OC - Scary. Hopefully Hudson comes back strong. I've never heard of Kush and he's not mentioned in any of my draft magazines, which doesn't build confidence.

NT - They must like what they see in Powe as depth, so I guess we're okay.

DE - Frightfully thin and scary. This is going to be a problem.

OLB - Worldbeaters if they can stay healthy. Terrible if they don't.

ILB - DJ and ... who are those other guys? Hopefully that new guy who's not Matt Barkley can claim the job.

CB - Seems pretty deep.

S - I really hope we can replace Kendrick Lewis. That new guy is listed in my draft magazines as "a cornerback who should be a strong safety" and a free safety. I wonder where he'll end up and if he can fight for the starting job.

K - Okay.

P - Incredible pro bowler.

LS - I haven't seen any errors yet, so he's awesome.

Direckshun 04-27-2013 11:58 PM

Updated.

Dayze 04-28-2013 12:11 AM

I think it's obvious that the Chiefs are going to try to get mismatch options. I know that's going out on a limb......]

But I think the best way to make Smith successful is to creat multiple run/pass plays out of similar formations. I highly doubt we'll be a downfield offense, but we'll rely on mismatches and/or PA passes. A guy like Kelce can block very well, and -while not a world beater - can catch passes.

This offense, on pass plays, is going to need the QB to identify mismatches, and get the ball out in rythym. Either by motion, or whatever.

I think Davis can provide some of this deception or play making.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Davis is a great pick or anything, but he's significant enough to teams to at least account for him.

The Chiefs now have enough options in terms of formation where teams can't stack the box on every ****ing down like they did with Cassel/Charles/Hillis. They at least have to be somewhat concerned of pass plays. Assuming of course that our 1st down /2nd down runs are sufficient - which should be given our line.

My $.02

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-28-2013 12:21 AM

Why wouldn't you just put eight in the box and run bracket coverage on Bowe against the Chiefs?

This team will run the ball well, throw all kinds of short passes, have very long drives, get stalled deep in enemy territory, and kick a metric ****ton of FGs.

Hammock Parties 04-28-2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

DE
Mike DeVito
Tyson Jackson
Allen Bailey
Daniel Muir
Marcus Dixon
Rob Lohr
This is a load of shit and I'm disappointed we didn't try to get someone athletic in the draft.

Hammock Parties 04-28-2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9639917)
Why wouldn't you just put eight in the box and run bracket coverage on Bowe against the Chiefs?

This team will run the ball well, throw all kinds of short passes, have very long drives, get stalled deep in enemy territory, and kick a metric ****ton of FGs.

There's a reason David Akers set an NFL record for FGs in 2011.

That reason: Alex ****ing Smith.

HemiEd 04-28-2013 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9638118)
remember when people said trading up for Tony Moeaki was going to be the best TE from that draft too?

and he ended up being like, the worst.

Who said that? All I remember is the complaints about the move.

ayleswbj 04-28-2013 06:42 AM

Lotta people down on Avery, he was quite a talent before he blew his knee out an had a pretty decent year last season. He gets healthier and healthier. Hes a good little rec with a ton of speed. gonna help us out for sure

AussieChiefsFan 04-28-2013 06:46 AM

Man do we have a shit-tonne of RBs.

Mile High Mania 04-28-2013 07:02 AM

Receiver group looks a bit ... Blah.

the Talking Can 04-28-2013 08:34 AM

amazing after all these years that we still basically have jack shit on our DL...it could easily be one of the worst in the league...just gross, not a single disruptor

but we have a lot of interesting pieces in the secondary

our WR roster is weird..deep, but still kind of punchless, and no young developing WR (unless Baldwin wakes up)

i wish we'd grabbed Bailey in the 3rd...

DTLB58 04-28-2013 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9640264)
amazing after all these years that we still basically have jack shit on our DL...it could easily be one of the worst in the league...just gross, not a single disruptor

but we have a lot of interesting pieces in the secondary

our WR roster is weird..deep, but still kind of punchless, and no young developing WR (unless Baldwin wakes up)

i wish we'd grabbed Bailey in the 3rd...

Couldn't agree more. DL and WR priority in next years draft.

DTLB58 04-28-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 9638268)
It's horrible! I hate it! We can do better. Guess it could be worse. It's really not too bad. I actually kind of like it. It's brilliant!

Perfect quote for CP. :clap:

Kinda like all the different opinions when the Raiders drafted Wilson yesterday at QB.

58-4ever 04-28-2013 08:56 AM

only team with a Nico and a Nieko. To the SHIP!!

ChiefaRoo 04-28-2013 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplicity (Post 9638200)
Moeaki wasn't underachieving...?

Yeah, he can play he's just fragile.

O.city 04-29-2013 03:57 PM

Gotta say, in one offseason, we've done a really good job upgrading some positions.

QB is a metric **** ton better (i know i know) but it is.

ILB is a shit ton better

Safety is better

TE is better, by alot.

RB is better, much better IMO, but I'm a big Davis fan so guess thats a homer call.

Same with CB.

The WR spot, IMO, is sneaky better. I like Avery and I think Gilyard will make something of himself. Still like something else there, so Baldwin is pretty much a make or break at this point.

Would have liked to get the DE better, but I guess DeVito will have to do.

I think the OL is pretty well stocked at this point.

O.city 04-29-2013 04:00 PM

Really would have liked to take a flyer on Da"Rick Rogers in UDFA too.

O.city 04-29-2013 04:05 PM

Am I crazy for thinking Hartman might actually make the roster at S?

Saccopoo 04-29-2013 05:00 PM

Watch out for Chad Kilgore.

That's my dark horse for the roster this year.

And the O-Line is:

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Schwartz
RT: Stephenson

mcaj22 04-29-2013 05:11 PM

Jon Asamoah and Jeff Allen are going to turn out to be wasted picks as they are just washed out of any chance of being in the starting lineup lol

mcaj22 04-29-2013 05:12 PM

the defensive line and free safety positions are the only two absolutely god awful dog shit positions on this team that have a bunch of crap

and Alex Smith but **** him

Chief_For_Life58 04-29-2013 05:22 PM

I see alot of bullshit thats for sure

Nightfyre 04-29-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9644294)
Am I crazy for thinking Hartman might actually make the roster at S?

I thought he played really well last year, tbh.

Saccopoo 04-29-2013 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9644394)
the defensive line and free safety positions are the only two absolutely god awful dog shit positions on this team that have a bunch of crap

and Alex Smith but **** him

Defensive line sucks. Poe needs to be a monster this year or it was a Dorsey level pick. I'd really like to see Sutton run a 46 a lot this year. He's coached it before and we have the personnel to actually make it work. Poe, Powe, Berry and Bailey are tailor made for it.

mcaj22 04-29-2013 05:32 PM

i will be shocked if Powe and Bailey make this team

Saccopoo 04-29-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Unlike most defensive formations that take their names from the number of defensive linemen and linebackers on the field (i.e. the 4-3 defense has 4 linemen and 3 linebackers), the name "46" originally came from the jersey number of Doug Plank, who was a starting safety for the Bears when Ryan developed the defense, and typically played in that formation as a surrogate linebacker.

The 46 defense was an innovative defense with a unique defensive front, designed to confuse and put pressure on the opposing offense, especially their quarterback. A hyper-aggressive variant of the 4-3 base set, the 46 dramatically shifted the defensive line to the weak side (the opposite end from the offense's tight end), with both guards and the center "covered" by the left defensive end and both defensive tackles. This front forced offenses to immediately account for the defenders lined up directly in front of them, making it considerably harder to execute blocking assignments such as pulling, trapping and pass protection in general. Moreover, the weak side defensive end would be aligned one to two yards outside the left offensive tackle, leaving opposing tackle 'on an island' when trying to block the pass rush.


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KChiefs1 04-29-2013 07:30 PM

WR & DE positions scare me.

KChiefs1 04-29-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9644378)
Watch out for Chad Kilgore.




And the O-Line is:

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Schwartz
RT: Stephenson

Love the looks of that but will Branden Albert?

Mecca 04-29-2013 07:35 PM

If they really want a line like that...Asamoah has center experience...
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O.city 04-29-2013 08:08 PM

Albert
Asamoah
Hudson
Schwartz
Fisher

Dante84 04-29-2013 10:23 PM

Wish we would get Lloyd or someone to add into the WR mix.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-30-2013 05:49 AM

Bray should be #2 Qb

Mr. Laz 04-30-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9645499)
Bray should be #2 Qb

he hasn't thrown a single pass yet

later on i believe the 3rd quarterback gets more reps running the scout squad anyway.

Bray needs time to mature and understand what he's supposed to do.

The Franchise 04-30-2013 09:47 AM

They need to pick up another CB because our depth is shit. If Robinson or Smith go down....Brown is coming into the game.

Mr. Laz 04-30-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9645788)
Brown is coming into the game.

:(

The Franchise 04-30-2013 09:50 AM

It's pretty ****ing horrible that Pioli left the CB depth so bare. We used to have an awesome 1-2 combination of Flowers and Carr. Pioli let Carr walk and then kept drafting nickle CBs out of Alabama. ****ing pathetic.

Bowser 04-30-2013 09:55 AM

7-9/8-8 with this group. Maybe 9-7 if our D lives up to potential playing in an attack style 1-gap.

mcaj22 04-30-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9645799)
It's pretty ****ing horrible that ***** left the CB depth so bare. We used to have an awesome 1-2 combination of Flowers and Carr. ***** let Carr walk and then kept drafting nickle CBs out of Alabama. ****ing pathetic.

Scooter drafted four CBs

Donald Washington
Javier Arenas
Dequan Menzie
Jalil Brown

missed horribly on all of them lol. Even statistics say he has a 25 percent chance that 1 of the 4 would pan out. Nope, only Scooter

Dante84 04-30-2013 11:04 AM

Jalil Brown can DIAF.

I do have faith that even with the slight changes at personnel, our offense will be light years better simply from proper coaching and a healthy team morale.

Rain Man 04-30-2013 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9645914)
Scooter drafted four CBs

Donald Washington
Javier Arenas
Dequan Menzie
Jalil Brown

missed horribly on all of them lol. Even statistics say he has a 25 percent chance that 1 of the 4 would pan out. Nope, only Scooter

I actually like Arenas as a nickel back. I'd rather have Gonzalez, but I wouldn't call Arenas a whiff.

ChiefsCountry 04-30-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9645499)
Bray should be #2 Qb

Bray might not even beat out Stanzi.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-30-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9646023)
Bray might not even beat out Stanzi.

ROFL

Mav 04-30-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9645121)
Albert
Asamoah
Hudson
Schwartz
Fisher

schwartz is so injury prone. I love him, but damn is he brittle.

Mav 04-30-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 9645363)
Wish we would get Lloyd or someone to add into the WR mix.

hmmm. Him and alex smith hated each other their first go round. Not sure exactly how that would play out again.

Kylo Ren 04-30-2013 03:09 PM

The right 53.....

OFFENSE - 24

QB - 3
Alex Smith
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray

RB - 3
Jamaal Charles
Knile Davis
Cyrus Gray

FB - 1
Braden Wilson

WR - 6
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Dexter McCluster
Jonathan Baldwin
Devon Wylie
Junior Hemingway

TE - 3
Anthony Fasano
Travis Kelce
Tony Moeaki

OT - 3
Branden Albert
Eric Fisher
Donald Stephenson

OG - 3
Jon Asamoah
Jeff Allen
Geoff Schwartz

C - 2
Rodney Hudson
Eric Kush

DEFENSE - 25

NT - 2
Dontari Poe
Jerrell Powe

DE - 3
Mike DeVito
Tyson Jackson
Allen Bailey

OLB - 5
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Frank Zombo
Edgar Jones
Mike Catapano

ILB - 3
Derrick Johnson
Nico Johnson
Akeem Jordan

CB - 6
Brandon Flowers
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Javier Arenas
Jalil Brown
DeQuan Menzie

S - 3
Eric Berry
Kendrick Lewis
Sanders Commings

K - 1
Ryan Succop

P - 1
Dustin Colquitt

LS - 1
Thomas Gafford

TOTAL - 49 - room for 4 more

The Franchise 04-30-2013 03:35 PM

Really? You're only keep 3 safeties?

mcaj22 04-30-2013 04:02 PM

lol 3 DEs. You find me another 34 defense in the NFL that carries only THREE DEs and Ill shake your hand

The Franchise 04-30-2013 04:08 PM

You need to cut down at least 1 WR, 1 CB and 1 OLB. DE and Safety are too low.


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