and that's not including guys like Brent Celek (162th pick), Sheldon Brown (59th pick), Raheem Brock (238th pick), and Todd Herremans (126th who started at LG for 100 games for Philly) that didn't make a pro bowl but were still great late round finds

So 8 pro-bowlers with McNabb and no HOF in 14 drafts is great drafting. No McNabb is not a HOF QB. I guess I have a higher standard.

Hugh Janus, change ur name to Hugh's Anus ROFL

Fair enough. Then...by your own admission:

Reid has a single draft pick in 14 years (with 12 picks) that far exceeds anything the Pats have done.

Five others have been "hits."

In two years he didn't have a selection, and in two years he drafted "busts."

I'd say this is an outstanding draft record that few organizations would be able to match, given the overall value of McNabb, the high number of hits, and the low number of busts.

It's not great, but it's not as terrible as you're making it out to be either.

Look at Bill Belichek's draft record and tell me his looks much better.

I can get that the list may not look the most impressive on paper.

That said, the part that makes this tough to argue is he took a team made up mostly of Philly draft picks to a Super Bowl, and within 3 points of a win. He was not Dan Snyder. Most of that Super Bowl team was filled with Eagles guys. Obviously he made the splash with TO and Kearse. Only 6 of their 22 starters that year were drafted by someone else, and among those, starting DT Darwin Walker had literally played one NFL game before coming to Philly. Plus TO broke his leg for the playoffs and Greg Lewis stepped in for him.

A couple of those guys were drafted before Reid got there, but pretty much the entire offense outside of TO and Runyan were originally Eagles. Same with the defense aside from Kearse, Simoneau and Dhani Jones at LB. He took those guys to a Super Bowl.

Andy Reid's drafting definitely left a lot to be desired. Talent evaluation in my opinion is a big weakness. He is better at drafting offense than defense. He has a very good eye for QBs and RBs. He is pretty awful at drafting defense. I might rank that his #1 overall weakness as a coach. If not #1 then in his top 3.

But there are few perfect coaches out there. This is one flaw, he has a lot of strengths. I'm trying to be as honest as possible. Talent evaluation is definitely a concern. No question.

I think he understands this weakness. IMO it's why he's trying to bring Tom Dorsey from Green Bay into the fold

Reid has drafted 10 pro bowlers and 5 of them were on defense.

I don't know if Pro Bowls are the be all end all of evaluation, but if you want me to, I can name you all the draft picks that went horribly wrong on defense over the years. It is a big reason why the team had to resort to that ridiculous spending spree a couple years ago. So many defensive draft picks didn't work out and they needed to fill roster spots.

The best Eagles defensive players in Reid's tenure were Trotter and Dawkins. Both Ray Rhodes guys. Trent Cole was Reid's best defensive draft pick. A 5th rounder.

1. Luke Joeckel
2. Tyler Bray

Merriweather was released 4 years after he was drafted.

Other than Mayo the rest of the guys you listed were drafted 2005 and earlier... not exactly recent or a sign of sustained draft success.

well what's the criteria then because he also picked 18 players that played in at least 100 games (indicating they were good enough to stick for several seasons) and 9 were on offense and 9 were on defense.

This

Or Tyler Wilson

Shockey and Will Allen had relatively short careers in New York and bounced around the league after that.