True.


But I don't really see next years class being even close to this years class.

:clap:

Actually you are right, Campbell is a free agent. I thought he signed a 2 year deal.

Moore is as well. I thought he signed his 2 year deal for 5 million last offseason.

I would be fine with Moore, but if you think Campbell is more accurate and can read a defense better than Vick, I don't know what you've been watching.

Absolutely he's going to evaluate the roster in great depth. I wouldn't expect anything less, but I don't think making that statement, while true, makes any news. Kind of like saying after a loss, "We need to execute better." Well, no shit.

What he's not going to do is give any indication of how he'll fix the QB situation in KC.

Now, I agree that he might not take a QB at 1/1, but I think it's an absolute lock that we won't get beyond the #33 overall pick without selecting a QB who will be penciled in to start next season at some point.

And yes, there will be some on here that will shit ass bricks if it isn't Geno.

But for the most part, I think the majority feel that Wilson, Smith, and Barkley would all be good picks.


Or atleast thats how I feel.

Exactly.

The man is considered a QB "Guru" and there's little evidence to doubt his judgements over the years. If he passes or trades out at #1, I'm good with it.

This isn't 2012 or 2004 or 1983.

I would hope so. I think there are going to end up being really good QBs from this class. I just don't know which 2 or 3 will really pan out. There's no slam dunk for me. Each has a red flag.

I didn't think Campbell was bad in a WCO, but he's not elite accuracy wise.

I just don't think Vick fits Reid's style of offense. He can read a defense, just not fast enough.

And every single one of those articles mention RG3 and Andrew Luck.

The simple fact is that this year's class is being judged unfairly.

This.

I agree with what you've said but I just don't see "Coach Speak" in his remarks. I thought it was as thoughtful an answer an incoming head coach could answer at this point.

Although if evaluating Cassel, Quinn and Stanzi takes more than three days, I'll be concerned. :D

It also isn't 2007, either.

And I don't think there's any chance in hell we trade out of #1.

If we don't want a QB, nobody else does either. If you take out the QBs, there's literally TWO blue chip prospects in this draft and the Chiefs could use both of them.

We're not trading out because we won't be able to find a willing partner.

Fairly or unfairly, that will be the standard moving forward.

It absolutely is.

It's like going to a 5 star steak house one night, and then saying "There's no good steak anywhere else". Or if you date a super model in high school that doesn't mean you can't date a solid 8 later on in life.

Those 2 guys are once in a generation talents (although Shanny may have killed RG).

Yeah they do.

I will say that I think alot of the Red Flags from Geno have more to do with his defense and some things that weren't necessarily his fault, but he's the QB, that's inevitably on him.

Same with Barkley. He was considered a really high pick last year, yet doesn't have the same skillset? I think he would fit really well in a Reid system.

Wilson had a shit ton of off field stuff go on in Fayettville this year, that absolutely weren't his fault and the attitude stuff, IMO, is a little out of proportion.

So yeah, there isn't a slam dunk ala Luck, but thats hardly the case and great QB's get drafted alot.

There is a guy in there, and for the first time in a while, I think the Chiefs staff are competent and rather good at id'ing said guy.

Not for smart people, it won't be.

Exactly.

Hell, the draft with Manning, Rivers, Rothlisberger wasn't even regarded to be as good as last years.

I just can't take anyone seriously that's going to tell me Geno suffered because of his defense.

The team suffered because of his defense. If anything, his stats were inflated some because they threw so much to keep up.

If a bad defense impacts a QB in that way, then I would say his psyche has an issue.

But I don't put one ounce of stock in the defense mentally tarnished Geno.

Another this.

I'm not really talking about mentality. More that people bash him for not getting leads or pulling his team from behind, when he did get them a lead late in the fourth quarter against TCU and OU.

If those leads hang up, he gets credit for beating a top 7 defense vs the pass and a defense that is constantly one of the better ones in college football.

The defense didn't make him play worse.

But he's getting some of the blame the defense should be getting.

Prime example - Geno takes the blame for ALL FIVE of the 5 losses down the stretch.

Anybody that watched the OU game saw him WIN that game with the go-ahead score, only to watch the defense go Greg Robinson and lose the game.

Exactly.....I've seen plenty of people complain that you don't take a QB who went 7-5 in the Big 12 first overall.

It's ****ing moronic.

What incentive does he have to leave Green Bay? He's a great defensive mind but I think he has it pretty good there.

And really, I know I'll get knocked like shit for this, but I'm just not completely sold on RGIII as a pocket passer. He can't continue to play like he did this year, he doesn't have the size. When he can't run, his passing took a hit this year (not specifically yesterday, other games this season).

Hes just so gifted mentally and physically I think he'll get there, but as far as a passer he has a ways to go.

And honestly, trading for Freeman wouldn't piss me off the way it would others. Yeah, teams don't trade franchise QB's, but Schiano wants to win his way, ala, Pioli. Dude is still young.

I thought it was weird that they would hire D-Line coach before DC as well. She said she didn't ask any questions, it just came up in conversation at her office. She swears he said offensive coach, but that doesn't make sense. Although Reid did take an O-Line coach to DC, so you can't put it past him.

LMAO

That's a damn tall order. Are you sure it was THAT bad?:evil:

this place cracks me up

RGIII goes from the toast of the NFL to having a game where he got injured and tried to play through it (and failing miserably) to suddenly being a guy no one wants anymore.

Unbelievable.

I feel bad for whatever poor guy has to come in here and play QB. Half of our fan base wouldn't even hypothetically trade our #1 pick for Aaron Rodgers.

Good luck big guy!!

You crack me up. You enter every thread and start a baseless argument with yourself. No one here wouldn't take RGIII. Stop arguing with yourself.

Dorsey? Glenn Dorsey? ROFL

I read half of the dudes post where he started with "not being sold with RGIII as a pocket passer" and kind of overreacted, some also stems from my hypothetical "who would you trade the #1 pick for" thread where people were already turning on RGIII...and many said no to Aaron Rodgers.

Insane.

Yes. In a 4-3.

Was really hoping Carolina would fire Ron Rivera...(

That being said, maybe Kiffin is like every other head coach that fails. Peter Principle got to him and he'll be better back as a coordinator.

So you think smart football people are gonna say "he's no Andrew Luck, can't take him at #1"?

If so, then ROFL

RG3s inability to stay healthy ALREADY is a HUGE concern. To act like it isn't is silly.

Anybody that wouldn't trade for Aaron Rodgers is a moron. Case closed.

Huh? Monte Kiffin isn't a HC.

Broke.

Dick.

Dorsey.

So if a QB now has to be Luck to draft him first overall, why don't other players have to be held to that esteem?


Qb is so important nowadays, seems that it would be worth the risk/

Dorsey has knee problems, but if he'd come cheap, he'd be ok depth.

Exactly.

Might as well just pass on our pick.

Jarvis Jones is no Von Miller.

Luke Joeckel is no Orlando Pace.

There's literally NOBODY there to pick.

While this IS supposed to be a defensive coordinator thread, i'm really glad to see many people open to the idea that their guy may not be "the guy" and are putting their trust in a quarterback savvy HC to make the right call for his team.

We ALL want a #1 quarterback, but its nice to know that many of you wont go ballistic if it isnt Smith, although i'd bet it will be.

Because i hear that Childress turned him down.

I'm on board with that because of Reid's history.

He believes you have to have a top QB to be successful in the NFL and his system. He's the one that believed in Brett Farve, refined him. Believed a black QB could be successful. Got Jeff Garcia to the league championship game.

He's got our QB back.

No, it's the suggetion that NFL fandom includes "smart people".

No one said he "has to be Luck".

But it's foolish to think that any QB taken in the near future won't be compared to Luck. And it won't be pretty.

No, it won't be pretty.


Buts is not correct to think he has to be that type of prospect to be a successful franchise QB.

Some of them think Cassel could be Trent Green 2.0.

Exactly, his awareness of the importance of the position, combined with a resume full of successful QB's, should be enough to placate even the most die hard of cynics.

You're being overly quiet on the Freeman front. Wanna trade for him?

Then what is the definition of a Franchise QB?

So an Andrew Luck type prospect is your only definition of a franchise QB? He has to be a once in a generation type prospect to be considered a potential franchise QB?

IMO it's a QB that has proven to be good enough to build your franchise around. Though I'm not a big fan of the term "franchise".

Whoa. There's a difference between a Franchise QB and a "potential" Franchise QB.

If you're choosing a QB #1 overall, you'd better be damn certain he's a franchise QB, or heads will roll.

Well, according to scouts and the intrawebs, there have only been 2 or 3 certain franchise QB's in the draft.


You evaluate, take the guy you like best, build around him and see what happens.

Then you hope and pray.

Well yeah, there's that. :D

Actually, LOTS of people have said that.

Just about every "against" post here, every Mel Kiper or Todd McShay scouting report, every draft segment on NFLN starts with "well, he's no Andrew Luck".

It isn't just the fanbase. ESPN and NFLN are full of the same idiots.

"oh noes, it risky"

nothing is certain...for the love of god people...

what great hex will descend upon us if we dare to draft a QB #1 and he isn't John Montana Elway Brady the 3rd?

i can't believe people still think this way after 30 god damn years of absolute ****ing bullshit at the QB position...

We all want a "franchise quarterback" so bad it hurts. I know I do. However, if the best talent evaluators in the game determine that no quarterback is worth the risk at one and a stud is available at another premier position that you need, you have to trust their evaluation and deal with it. Now, if this was Scott Pioli or Carl Peterson making the pick, you have every right to jump and scream and talk about aids trees and shit. This is a new dawn, a new day though. I am on board until this regime proves otherwise.

I think now a days with the structure of the slotting system for draft picks, it allows to get away from a mistake in the top 10 easier

You're right, it does, but you can't just waste the number one pick on a long shot.

"worth the risk"

but there's no risk in drafting another ****ing LB when you have the worst collection of QB in the league?

sorry, their job is to identify the best QB in this draft AND DRAFT HIM

period

after 30 years, it is time to AT LEAST TRY ONCE

so risky....oh no

But with a guy like Reid and no clear cut no 1 player anywhere, and if you cant trade out then we need the most value at no 1 and thats QB

i hate this fanbase...but you already knew that

There ****ing isn't.

I wouldn't take Jarvis Jones in the top 10 at all.

Manti Te'o? Don't get me started.

And all the LTs are slapdicks. If it's a big deal that there aren't any Andrew Lucks, it's an even more glaring deal that there aren't any Joe Thomases.

Would you rather draft a sub-par QB or a sub-par LT? Because that's what it comes down to this year at #1. I don't know about you all, but I'd rather roll the dice on the QB and take the upside that comes with it.

Jarvis Jones has got like ****ing spinal stenosis. AKA narrowing of the spine. I like him but QB is what is killing us not pass rusher. Im not into a MLB at no 1. He isnt Ray Lewis.

That is, of course, if you believe the myth about the sub-par QBs at #1 this year.

I don't. But you good little followers should listen to Kiper and do what he says. It's part of your weirdass stupid religion to do so, I get it.

I am not risk averse. . . but I do not put all my money in winning the lottery either. I am not saying you do not take a QB at one. I am not a QB guru like these guys are. If they determine that they don't think any of the college qbs are worth dick shit, then go another direction.

I think there is a lot to be written yet on what scouts think of these qbs after pro days, interviews, and combines. We have only heard from talking heads at this point.

I keep reading that Luke Joeckel is a Joe Thomas type player though. We will see what happens over the next few months with the draft board.

lottery ticket

jesus...

have fun drafting a LT...

I agree. I would not **** with narrowing of the spine.

Right now, until one of these quarterbacks separates from the pack, you could put 5-7 of these qbs in a hat and pick one. If you're odds are one in seven in getting the right one, it doesn't matter if you pull the first name out of the hat or the last name.

That being said, I REALLY hope one of these guys rises up and differentiates himself.

Ok this is complete bullshit. Joeckel and Lewan aren't worth a top 3 pick (IMHO) but they are NOT slapdicks. That's just dumb. Hell, Lewan held up fantastically versus Clowney... not exactly something a "slapdick" should be able to say.

I do however agree that I'd rather risk it on a QB IF our coaches/scouts think one has the upside. I'm sure after the combine this talk will all be moot.

man, that's dumb...

Any news on the DC front?

Is that what *I* said? No.

Look around. All of the talking heads are saying there is no Franchise QB in this year's draft. No where did I say that the Chiefs shouldn't take a guy #1 overall.

He had a bunch of penalties and Clowney had clearly worn him down by the end. I wouldn't touch the guy anywhere in the top 10 (course I've long thought that...)

These are the same talking heads who had Griffin going between 8 and 10 at this time last year.