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Donger 04-23-2007 08:40 AM

Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You, Unfazed by Rising Tab
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=afOlUzd30YOo

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

Spoiler!

Bowser 04-23-2007 08:43 AM

Americans are not "resigned" to it. Americans are pissed at it.

4th and Long 04-23-2007 08:43 AM

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Donger 04-23-2007 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser
Americans are not "resigned" to it. Americans are pissed at it.

So, what are you doing to combat the prices, if that's what you are pissed about?

Donger 04-23-2007 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th and Long
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

ROFL

TrickyNicky 04-23-2007 08:45 AM

This just in from the newsroom... Bicycles are still fairly inexpensive.

Saulbadguy 04-23-2007 08:45 AM

ROFL

Bowser 04-23-2007 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
So, what are you doing to combat the prices, if that's what you are pissed about?

Not driving anywhere unnecessary during the week.

And by asking this, are you OK with gas potentially being 4 bucks a gallon, and think that Americans AREN'T pissed at the notion?

Donger 04-23-2007 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser
Not driving anywhere unnecessary during the week.

Good for you. Disable your daytime running lights while your at it. Plus all the other things you can do (properly inflated tires, no A/C, no full throttle, etc.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser
And by asking this, are you OK with gas potentially being 4 bucks a gallon, and think that Americans AREN'T pissed at the notion?

Am I okay with the potential of $4/gallon? Well, personally, I don't think it will go that high. But, if it does, it does.

Brock 04-23-2007 08:52 AM

When is congress going to do something about this? ROFL

Deberg_1990 04-23-2007 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser
Americans are not "resigned" to it. Americans are pissed at it.

Very true...

I think when gas prices go high it really hurts alot of other industries as well..

Americans have just learned to give up simple luxuries...


Could be cofffee, donuts, a book, movies..whatever....

Donger 04-23-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock
When is congress going to do something about this? ROFL

If gasoline reaches $4.00, the government would almost certainly hit the SPR and eliminate the federal tax. States probably would as well.

Donger 04-23-2007 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
ROFL

What's funny, Saul?

Saulbadguy 04-23-2007 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
What's funny, Saul?

http://www.mtv2.com/#andymilonakis

Bowser 04-23-2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
Very true...

I think when gas prices go high it really hurts alot of other industries as well..

Americans have just learned to give up simple luxuries...


Could be cofffee, donuts, a book, movies..whatever....

True. But the problem is that's the top of the hill where the snowball starts rolling. Cut out movies or eating out, those industries feel it, so they charge their vendors more, in return the vendors charge more for their services...on and on.

It is somewhat scary to think about gas potentially getting that expensive.

Al Bundy 04-23-2007 08:59 AM

Thats why I ride my bike the 8 blocks to my job every morning.

Bowser 04-23-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight
Thats why I ride my bike the 8 blocks to my job every morning.

That'd be nice.

Donger 04-23-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I don't know what that is.

Frazod 04-23-2007 09:02 AM

I'm doing what I can. I'm driving less and putting E85 in my car. I'd rather see my fuel money go to Iowa rednecks than terrorist-supporting Arabs.

Redrum_69 04-23-2007 09:12 AM

This is just another cause and effect of the recent nationwide pitbull bans

Valiant 04-23-2007 09:16 AM

"As recently as August, investors were selling oil refiners on concern an economic slowdown would slash fuel demand in the U.S., the world's largest energy market. During seven weeks last August and September, Valero shares fell 29 percent, wiping out $12 billion in market value."


But we cut production to start to drive the demand back up so we did not lose any money... And we are going to tell you now that their is more demand for it, even though every day more and more people are buying more fuel efficient vehicles...

unlurking 04-23-2007 09:16 AM

Wish I didn't drive 60+ miles each way to work.

:sigh:

Saulbadguy 04-23-2007 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking
Wish I didn't drive 60+ miles each way to work.

:sigh:

move?

Donger 04-23-2007 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant
"As recently as August, investors were selling oil refiners on concern an economic slowdown would slash fuel demand in the U.S., the world's largest energy market. During seven weeks last August and September, Valero shares fell 29 percent, wiping out $12 billion in market value."


But we cut production to start to drive the demand back up so we did not lose any money... And we are going to tell you now that their is more demand for it, even though every day more and more people are buying more fuel efficient vehicles...

Are you attempting to link production levels and demand for gasoline?

Donger 04-23-2007 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
move?

Get a different job?

Honestly, what would the $ threshold be that would make people make such drastic decisions/changes?

Saulbadguy 04-23-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger
Get a different job?

Honestly, what would the $ threshold be that would make people make such drastic decisions/changes?

I would think it would be easier to move than to find a different job.

Valiant 04-23-2007 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
Are you attempting to link production levels and demand for gasoline?


No I am saying DEMAND was down last year and early this year and they cut it to keep their profit levels high... They forced the price hike, on us when the market did not call for it...

Americans were not using as much gas and dropping the price of it..

Stewie 04-23-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking
Wish I didn't drive 60+ miles each way to work.

:sigh:

Is this a Redrum nom de plume?

Mr. Laz 04-23-2007 09:41 AM

2.73 here in KC

NewChief 04-23-2007 09:41 AM

As someone who does quite a bit of traveling to see family, gas prices are really killing me. Every time I go see my mother, or we go see my wife's family, we're spending around $120 in gas alone.

sd4chiefs 04-23-2007 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
So, what are you doing to combat the prices, if that's what you are pissed about?

If you can't beat them, join them.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...1&Symbol=FSENX

teedubya 04-23-2007 09:48 AM

it was 3.79 in San Francisco that I saw.

kepp 04-23-2007 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewChief
As someone who does quite a bit of traveling to see family, gas prices are really killing me. Every time I go see my mother, or we go see my wife's family, we're spending around $120 in gas alone.

Video phones?

Iowanian 04-23-2007 09:52 AM

I'd like to see the Govt go into the Refinery business soon.


Buy American.
Fill up with Ethynol or BioD.


Now, the arsehole petroleum companies are trying to get in on the monies for renewable fuels, by refining a small amount of animal fat....which will take huge sums of money intended for the Biofuel industry......which creates alot of good rural jobs, as well as the other obvious products.

NewChief 04-23-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp
Video phones?

Heh. We've actually talked about it. There's still some things we have to go down there for, though.

Frazod 04-23-2007 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian
I'd like to see the Govt go into the Refinery business soon.


Buy American.
Fill up with Ethynol or BioD.

I don't see that happening until the oil business gets out the government, which won't happen any time soon. :shake:

Redrum_69 04-23-2007 10:02 AM

shameless bump

The Franchise 04-23-2007 10:10 AM

Damn.....$3.24 in Northern Cali. Obviously thats not as bad as San Francisco....but still.

Donger 04-23-2007 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant
No I am saying DEMAND was down last year and early this year and they cut it to keep their profit levels high... They forced the price hike, on us when the market did not call for it...

Americans were not using as much gas and dropping the price of it..

Actually demand has continued to increase annually.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/tw...ne.html#demand

Valiant 04-23-2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
Actually demand has continued to increase annually.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/tw...ne.html#demand


Actually your site just verifies everything I have typed already...

Those charts show demand was down last year and early this year, and they kept on raising the prices and cutting supply... It's JUST NOW starting to go back up in April as should the price for supply and demand since summer is coming...

But they created a false demand earlier in the year buy cutting supply to keep the prices higher...

It is what I typed earlier before you got off on your supply and demand tangent...

Donger 04-23-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant
Actually your site just verifies everything I have typed already...

Those charts show demand was down last year and early this year, and they kept on raising the prices and cutting supply... It's JUST NOW starting to go back up in April as should the price for supply and demand since summer is coming...

But they created a false demand earlier in the year buy cutting supply to keep the prices higher...

It is what I typed earlier before you got off on your supply and demand tangent...

Demand varies by season. People drive more in the spring and summer months. Therefore, demand increases during those months.

You said, "DEMAND was down last year and early this year." If you are referring to seasonal demand changes, yes, demand was down last winter and early this year as compared to last summer. But that happens every year. If you look at the demand curves on the last graphic in that link, however, you'll see that overall demand is in fact up when compared to previous years.

Calcountry 04-23-2007 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
So, what are you doing to combat the prices, if that's what you are pissed about?

Everyone still idles there Yukon's at the McDonalds rather than go in.

So donger, the question I have for you is, "Do you believe in the Peak Oil theory?"

Calcountry 04-23-2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian
I'd like to see the Govt go into the Refinery business soon.


Buy American.
Fill up with Ethynol or BioD.


Now, the arsehole petroleum companies are trying to get in on the monies for renewable fuels, by refining a small amount of animal fat....which will take huge sums of money intended for the Biofuel industry......which creates alot of good rural jobs, as well as the other obvious products.

We could produce a lot more oil if the Government would let us.

Don't worry, the Chinese will be along soon to drill off our coasts.

Donger 04-23-2007 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
Everyone still idles there Yukon's at the McDonalds rather than go in.

So donger, the question I have for you is, "Do you believe in the Peak Oil theory?"

I honestly don't know enough about the theory to believe or not believe it.

Calcountry 04-23-2007 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant
"As recently as August, investors were selling oil refiners on concern an economic slowdown would slash fuel demand in the U.S., the world's largest energy market. During seven weeks last August and September, Valero shares fell 29 percent, wiping out $12 billion in market value."


But we cut production to start to drive the demand back up so we did not lose any money... And we are going to tell you now that their is more demand for it, even though every day more and more people are buying more fuel efficient vehicles...

BTW, VLO recovered all of that market cap.

Frazod 04-25-2007 11:09 PM

Gas is now at $2.99 9/10ths at the cheaper stations by my house. (And BTW, here's a GREAT BIG fuck YOU for that 9/10ths of a cent bullshit - Can I pay for that with 9/10ths of a penny? fuckers 4321 ). So basically, its $3.00 a gallon by me, higher the closer you get to Chicago.

I don't even want to think about how expensive it'll be by the end of June. Good God. :shake:

Pitt Gorilla 04-25-2007 11:25 PM

Gas went up 9 cents this evening.

Jenson71 04-25-2007 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod
Gas is now at $2.99 9/10ths at the cheaper stations by my house. (And BTW, here's a GREAT BIG fuck YOU for that 9/10ths of a cent bullshit - Can I pay for that with 9/10ths of a penny? fuckers 4321 ). So basically, its $3.00 a gallon by me, higher the closer you get to Chicago.

I don't even want to think about how expensive it'll be by the end of June. Good God. :shake:

And you have nice public transportation you use.

Frazod 04-25-2007 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71
And you have nice public transportation you use.

True, but it's not like the let me ride for free. A monthly pass from my stop, 35 miles from downtown Chicago, is nearly $130 a month. And public transportation in the suburbs isn't like the city - I drive everywhere else.

HMc 04-26-2007 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser
True. But the problem is that's the top of the hill where the snowball starts rolling. Cut out movies or eating out, those industries feel it, so they charge their vendors more, in return the vendors charge more for their services...on and on.

It is somewhat scary to think about gas potentially getting that expensive.

You're linking inflation to DECREASED demand?

Abba-Dabba 04-26-2007 06:07 AM

Apathy of oil companies greed isn't just part of the problem. It is the problem.

Would people be up in arms if bread had risen to $6.50 a loaf since late 2001? Would people be up in arms is milk was up to $8 a gallon since 2001? Would people be up in arms if a steak from the grocery store cost $15 a pound since the last mad cow scare? WOuld people be up in arms if chicken would have raised to $12 per pound because of the avian virus?

Simply put, oil companies take advantage of us cause they can. I don't care about if their profit margin falls with the % of other services. They make billions in record profits. Yet somehow fail to find a way to pass some savings to the already strained consumer, who BTW puts those billions in record profits in their pockets. I'm more concerned with the single mother or low income family who may have to decide in paying their rent or putting gas in their car to get to work and food on their table for their children. Oil exec's on their apologist's excuses on their blatant price gouging don't cut it with me anymore.

Miles 04-26-2007 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
If gasoline reaches $4.00, the government would almost certainly hit the SPR and eliminate the federal tax. States probably would as well.

The revenue from the taxes would be made up somewhere. It would make people less alarmed about what they are paying for petrol but they would pay in other ways.

cadmonkey 04-26-2007 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky
This just in from the newsroom... Bicycles are still fairly inexpensive.

Because those are pretty useful on the highway.............

Ugly Duck 04-26-2007 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

Heck.... I've already seen it at $4.39 here in the Bay Area. It was just a blip, but I expect to be pay 4 real soon....

ROYC75 04-26-2007 07:06 AM

You can rest assure that if fuel goes up this much the transportation industry will raise rates causing shipping to go up, consumers will pay the rate increase at the cash register with everything you buy.

Bowser 04-26-2007 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMc
You're linking inflation to DECREASED demand?

No, I'm saying prices will raise across the board for everyone with most things, just not at the pump.

Donger 04-26-2007 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack
Apathy of oil companies greed isn't just part of the problem. It is the problem.

Would people be up in arms if bread had risen to $6.50 a loaf since late 2001? Would people be up in arms is milk was up to $8 a gallon since 2001? Would people be up in arms if a steak from the grocery store cost $15 a pound since the last mad cow scare? WOuld people be up in arms if chicken would have raised to $12 per pound because of the avian virus?

Simply put, oil companies take advantage of us cause they can. I don't care about if their profit margin falls with the % of other services. They make billions in record profits. Yet somehow fail to find a way to pass some savings to the already strained consumer, who BTW puts those billions in record profits in their pockets. I'm more concerned with the single mother or low income family who may have to decide in paying their rent or putting gas in their car to get to work and food on their table for their children. Oil exec's on their apologist's excuses on their blatant price gouging don't cut it with me anymore.

If oil companies controlled the price of crude, then I would agree with you. Since they don't, I don't. You may have emotion on your side, but you certainly don't have the facts.

Donger 04-26-2007 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck
Heck.... I've already seen it at $4.39 here in the Bay Area. It was just a blip, but I expect to be pay 4 real soon....

National retail average for regular unleaded, not spot pricing.

Donger 04-26-2007 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla
Gas went up 9 cents this evening.

I know that people only care about the prices they see at their corner store, but the national average actually dropped last week.

oldandslow 04-26-2007 08:04 AM

Futures markets went up about 7 cents/gallon yesterday. Based on the persistent falling trend gasoline inventories, my expectation now is that most of the US and Canada will be seeing record retail prices this summer.


Even optimists have now turned pessimistic:


Quote:
Large Draw in Gasoline Stocks
Boosts Crude Futures Higher
By MASOOD FARIVAR
April 25, 2007 4:33 p.m.

ConocoPhillips CEO Jim Mulva said he was concerned about the refining industry's ability to meet summer gasoline demand.

"We really have to run well," Mr. Mulva said during a first-quarter earnings conference call. "If you look at the supply-demand situation -- and hopefully we don't have weather-related issues -- the concern we have is whether we're going to be able to run and provide the supply we need during the summertime period."

Mr. Flynn of Alaron called the statement "a huge admission by a major refiner."

"This is something an analyst can say but when it comes from the CEO of Conoco, it makes you wonder how desperate the situation is becoming," he said.



WSJ

Donger 04-26-2007 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow
Futures markets went up about 7 cents/gallon yesterday. Based on the persistent falling trend gasoline inventories, my expectation now is that most of the US and Canada will be seeing record retail prices this summer.


Even optimists have now turned pessimistic:


Quote:
Large Draw in Gasoline Stocks
Boosts Crude Futures Higher
By MASOOD FARIVAR
April 25, 2007 4:33 p.m.

ConocoPhillips CEO Jim Mulva said he was concerned about the refining industry's ability to meet summer gasoline demand.

"We really have to run well," Mr. Mulva said during a first-quarter earnings conference call. "If you look at the supply-demand situation -- and hopefully we don't have weather-related issues -- the concern we have is whether we're going to be able to run and provide the supply we need during the summertime period."

Mr. Flynn of Alaron called the statement "a huge admission by a major refiner."

"This is something an analyst can say but when it comes from the CEO of Conoco, it makes you wonder how desperate the situation is becoming," he said.



WSJ

Gee, who would have thought that not building any new refineries in the last 30 years while tripling demand would lead to potential crisis?

oldandslow 04-26-2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
Gee, who would have thought that not building any new refineries in the last 30 years while tripling demand would lead to potential crisis?

Yep...

although you know my theory on the matter. No new refineries due to crude peak. Why build new refineries if the supply is going to stagnate?

I suspect 4-5 dollar gas will help with the demand side tho.

boogblaster 04-26-2007 09:05 AM

Smoke up your arse...wonder what the military pays for their gas...wonder how much fuel they comsume daily...wonder if its anywhere near all the rest of us put together...hummm..........

DaneMcCloud 04-26-2007 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
If gasoline reaches $4.00, the government would almost certainly hit the SPR and eliminate the federal tax. States probably would as well.

My wife and I just returned from Italy last night. Gas is over $7 a gallon there and it's the same much across the rest of Europe. $4 is high but at least it's not $7 (yet).

Donger 04-26-2007 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
My wife and I just returned from Italy last night. Gas is over $7 a gallon there and it's the same much across the rest of Europe. $4 is high but at least it's not $7 (yet).

Most of that is taxes, BTW.

DaneMcCloud 04-26-2007 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
Most of that is taxes, BTW.

I figured but I didn't stop for gas. Do they provide the breakdown on their pumps like they do here (or at least in CA?). The people we spoke to were jealous of the prices we pay here but they do drive much, much smaller vehicles. The Smart Cars were absolutely everywhere!

Donger 04-26-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
I figured but I didn't stop for gas. Do they provide the breakdown on their pumps like they do here (or at least in CA?). The people we spoke to were jealous of the prices we pay here but they do drive much, much smaller vehicles. The Smart Cars were absolutely everywhere!

I don't know if they do the breakdown. But, IIRC, the European tax average is something like 65% of the price.

Hammock Parties 04-26-2007 03:01 PM

It just shows you how free we actually are... If something is happening that we dont like, this country is set up to where we can't do a damned thing about it, so we have to take it up the ass for the government constantly. Personally, I think this country and government is totally ****ed up, and we're headed for some bad times within the next 10-20 years or so.

Hammock Parties 04-26-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster
Smoke up your arse...wonder what the military pays for their gas...wonder how much fuel they comsume daily...wonder if its anywhere near all the rest of us put together...hummm..........

I bet you anything that it is nowhere near as much as Americans consume. Gawd us Americans are ****ing up this planet...

Donger 04-26-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawkerman2001
It just shows you how free we actually are... If something is happening that we dont like, this country is set up to where we can't do a damned thing about it, so we have to take it up the ass for the government constantly. Personally, I think this country and government is totally ****ed up, and we're headed for some bad times within the next 10-20 years or so.

The government? What do you think the government is doing with regards to gasoline prices?

Hammock Parties 04-26-2007 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
The government? What do you think the government is doing with regards to gasoline prices?

I wasn't blaming them for the gas prices. Just in general our government is ****ed up.

Donger 04-26-2007 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawkerman2001
I wasn't blaming them for the gas prices. Just in general our government is ****ed up.

Oh. Just a randomly placed rant?

chasedude 04-26-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
National retail average for regular unleaded, not spot pricing.

I pay for the spot pricing, not the national average, that's what I see with my two eyes.

Donger 04-26-2007 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedude
I pay for the spot pricing, not the national average, that's what I see with my two eyes.

I understand that. I do the same of course. I just paid $3.19 for 91 octane, which is the highest octane one can get here.

But, when people talk about $4.00 gasoline, they are referring to the average, not spot pricing.

chasedude 04-26-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
I understand that. I do the same of course. I just paid $3.19 for 91 octane, which is the highest octane one can get here.

But, when people talk about $4.00 gasoline, they are referring to the average, not spot pricing.

Do you have a high performance vehicle that requires the high-octane?

Donger 04-26-2007 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedude
Do you have a high performance vehicle that requires the high-octane?

No. I just like wasting money.

chasedude 04-26-2007 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
No. I just like wasting money.

I sure hope that's sarcasm Donger. You're posts on the planet indicate intelligence, so I'm assuming so.

I guess I'm pretty lucky over here in BFE Kansas. I just paid $2.75 for the 89 octane midgrade, it won't last long though.

Donger 04-26-2007 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedude
I sure hope that's sarcasm Donger. You're posts on the planet indicate intelligence, so I'm assuming so.

I guess I'm pretty lucky over here in BFE Kansas. I just paid $2.75 for the 89 octane midgrade, it won't last long though.

Yes, it is. I ran regular octane through my car once and while it ran, performance was noticeable reduced. Enough so that I don't mind the extra $.40/gallon.

chasedude 04-26-2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger
Yes, it is. I ran regular octane through my car once and while it ran, performance was noticeable reduced. Enough so that I don't mind the extra $.40/gallon.

I've always been told that running the high octane in a "regular" vehicle is a waste of money, but if you notice the difference in performance I guess it is worth it... how about the gas mileage, it better too?

Donger 04-26-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedude
I've always been told that running the high octane in a "regular" vehicle is a waste of money, but if you notice the difference in performance I guess it is worth it... how about the gas mileage, it better too?

My car requires 93 octane. It will run on less, but performance is reduced. Therefore, I purchase premium.

Yes, putting high-octane/premium gasoline into a vehicle that does not require it is a waste of money. There is no increase in performance or mileage. If your engine is pinging or knocking, however, high octane fuel might solve that.

If you are uncertain, look at your owner's manual or inside your gas cover.


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