Will Charles hold out for a better contract?
 

Jamal is going to be paid a paltry $2.5 million in 2014. Thats not a typo. $2.5 million. One of the best running backs with 2-3 years left of prime time in his career..........I'm sure his agent is whispering in his ear. The Chiefs know its an insulting salary to pay one of the best RB's in the league.

You can say he signed it, play the contract out. But, its the real world.

NFL RB's that hold out always, always get their money. The template is clear. If Charles would set out a year, he loses $2.5 Million. You think he doesn't make that up in a new contract next year.

Anyone want to bet that the Chiefs give Charles a new contract this off season to avoid a nasty contract fight?

What was he paid in upfront signing bonus money and would he have to pay that back if he did hold out?

It would be smart, unload some of the dead weight on this team and make Charles and Smith a priority. It doesnt look like Dorsey is sleeping much these days, I think losing that playoff game left as bad a taste in his mouth as it did ours.

12/11/2010: Signed a six-year, $27.97 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including an $8 million first-year roster bonus and $2 million of his second-year salary. Another $5 million is available through incentives. An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available in years two through six. 2014: $2.25 million, 2015: $4.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

I caught a little bit of Kietzman on this. He had the Chiefs signing Alex & Jamaal to new deals. Then booting Flowers.Too much $s for a nickleback. Maybe he's after new offseason callers

Sitting out this season wouldnt be smart, next season I think it would benefit him more. It would be smart for the Dorsey to hand him a nice shiny new contract though. Money wise I dont know what though.

Booting Flowers would be stupid.

Like I suspected, BRC didn't bother to read the fine print.

He could try, but it is becoming more evident in the NFL quality running backs are not hard to find...take Charles a third round pick...his back up who played well in a playoff game as a rookie also a third round pick. The Browns/Colts trade proved this season that teams overvalue running backs. Of the top five running backs this season only one was a first round pick.
If he can get it...go for it, but with all the holes and other cap issues the Chiefs have and new deal will have to be cap friendly.

That's a fair deal. If I were him I'd keep doing what I'm doing.

And your too stupid to have a single original thought. We all have or crosses to bear.

The NFL has learned all too many times that putting too much into a RB can burn you. I see giving him more, but I'd not sell the farm to keep him. So it's a yes and a no; yes to a raise, but no to something crazy.

Find out what he's going to demand and see what else that same money can bring if spread around.

Then again, **** these assholes! Not JC's fault (he was hurt!!!), but the Chefs, like the entire NFL, are learning the reality of losing your workhorse. Plan for it...

I hope charles gets to play an entire playoff game someday without some ****wad injuring him

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Do "fair deals" matter?

Tell me about a NFL RB that played under a bad contract in their prime?

I'll wait....

No, you don't give him 5 years of top 5 RB money with a signing bonus. Redo the contract, increase it by two years to 2016. Just increase the money for the next 3 years. Give him another $10 million signing bonus.

You called 2.5M "insulting" but you didn't mention the fine print re: bonuses. Dunno why you'd get mad for someone pointing that out.

Yes.

Pioli totally robbed JC. Pioli was good on this department except for the Cassel contract.

If I were him I'd hold out.

Not always. MJD couldn't pull it with the Jags.

If he wants to get paid (and I agree that he's underpaid), now is the time to drop powerful hints. It's the NFL. His next play could be his last.

Well said. And the best years of a RB are the first 5. From here on out to give JC a new big ass contract would be stupid now that he has already endured a serious knee injury and especially now that 'concussions' are the way of the future and make it even more difficult for a player to complete a 16 game schedule(whether it is legit or the player is faking it because he wants a few days off-which you know that is already happening to some degree now and will only get worse). I'm not saying JC faked this at all and think he has great character BUT you saw the play he went out on and JC was barely touched if at all and it was a simple hard fall to the ground. Would you give this guy a big ass contract after that?

cut jamaal we have joe mcknight

Certainly wouldnt blame him if he did.

He has two years on his contract, not just one. Sitting out would effect both of those years. As has been pointed out his contract is incentive laden.

Duno where to put this....

@NFLDraftBites: @Jacobs71 Chiefs cap issues w/ key FAs & guys clamoring for extensions. Fisher must rebound. Might say Good Bye to Hali, Johnson or Flowers

He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would force the Chiefs to give him a pay-raise, but boy oh boy does he deserve one.

Not enough incentives to make it even close to what a top 5 RB should get paid.

Fisher has to step up. We can't afford Albert or draft picks for O-line tackles. Stephenson and Fisher have to be our O-line tackles.

If he asks them, I think they would. And as for having two years left. Yeah, Desean Jackson just asked to have his contract redone. He just signed it two years ago.

The Chiefs are starting to have issues that teams usually have that have been good for a while...

Id request a new contract if I were Charles in part to see what the Chiefs would do. I would not want to "break the bank" but Id definitely want top 5RB $$$. Knowing me though, I would report to camp.

"Bye"

Gotta hope that some of our guys will restructure to help the situation.

Oh for sure. There's nothing wrong with wanting some extra bank when you're arguably the best RB in the NFL. I think it just works well in our favour that he's probably not going to hold out or request to hit the market.

They aren't cutting Brandon Flowers guys. We wouldn't save very much money at all by doing that.

Not ready to see DJ go at all, but it'd still be a tough call for me between releasing either Flowers or Hali.

Flowers size and deep speed definitely leaves something to be desired.

But

Hali seems to be wearing out just as fast, and it honestly pains me to say, but the people throwing around the phrase "one trick pony" just might be right, cant remember the last time I watched him effectively use a rip or swim move to get back inside of guys who're constantly choking him out wide.

Its a tough call.

I love Jamaal Charles but if we could get a first round for him I'd take it.

dumbass

No he won't hold out. He isn't that kind of player.

You don't trade away a player like him. He accounted for over 30% of our offensive yards this season.

"Dont give JC a big contract"

"Trade JC for a #1 pick"

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He's not a professional running back?

/Chris Johnson


I would trade Jamaal in a heartbeat for a #1 WR or a pass rusher.


Easier said than done.

He isn't selfish like that. he won't put himself ahead of the team like that.

Letting Flowers go is the obvious choice. I don't think we'd see much or any decline in our secondary if we could sign an average veteran free agent corner or a draftee with some upside.

Well you can trade away a player like that if you can get a deal like the Cowboys got for the Hershal Walker trade. Yep JC should cost more than just a first round pick but who would bite?

Charles is one of the few running backs in the league that you can't easily replace, so you don't trade him.

In the NFL, that would make him a fool.

We wouldn't see a decline in our secondary if we lined up 11 D linemen.

That's how bad it is now.

Problem is we need to replace ****a too. Picking up 2 solid CBs 2 years in a row is TOUGH.

RE: JC. I don't know. I hope he doesn't. I think it is a good possibility, but I doubt he wants Chris Johnson money, and I doubt the Chiefs would be willing to part with Chris Johnson money.

No way the Chiefs will give Charles Chris Johnson money. If his agent wants that type of contract, it could get nasty.

This would be doable IMO.

How bout keep shit the same and just throw a monstrosity of a signing bonus in for "restructuring"/ being 30% of our offense.

That's pretty stupid.

Jamaal's at the top of the league as a RB and has been for several seasons. If it weren't for Adrian Peterson, people would be talking about Charles as the freak-of-nature who showed absolutely zero lingering effects from his injury in 2011.

And with Andy Reid using him in multiple ways, his career has probably been extended by a significant amount.

Unless you're going to give me a WR or pass rusher who absolutely dominates the position like Charles does in his, **** that trade so hard in the ass.

RB's win playoff games, right?

Charles is one of the few that could.

Either way he is a great fit in Reid's offense considering he likes to get his RBs 60 or 70 catches a year.

Building a team around a great running game, a great defense, and a very good (even if not elite) QB is a great model to follow.

Ask Eli Manning, Flacco, and Big Ben how important that running game is.

If JC plays Indy, we're playing the Pats today.

Awesome point.

Did any one those QB's have elite RB's on the team?

Rice is a maybe.


My point is that I would rather have a good WR or pass rush over a good RB.

KenDICK and the rest of the mother****ing shit head pussy-ass do-nothing ****wads on this defense, and Sutton, and Andy would have found a way to lose it I'm sure!

Probably.

It's also possible that Reid opened up the offense downfield since he didn't have the checkdown there in the first half.

THIS!

I can see them parting ways with Tamba. He has a huge cap number and mostly disappeared over the last half of the season.

jfc Johnson?

hali?



**** that

WRs win playoff games?

Hell, I really can't point to pass rushers who win playoff games either, quite honestly. I've seen defensive lines and CBs do it, though.

Jamaal averaged exactly 5 YPC this season, which was a "down" year for him in that category, while our backups didn't even average 4 YPC. Add the 19 TDs and 70-ish receptions and you've got, very likely, the most indispensable skill position player in the league.

Plus he's only 27 or something. This next season could be his best yet.

We can't trade him.

How many Super Bowls did Elway win without Terrell Davis?

Sucks that we gave Bowe that huge contract. I'd hate to let a CB or pass rusher go in this league, but with their cap hits, I wouldn't be mad if we unloaded Flowers and/or Hali somehow..

They're at the point in their careers where the good franchises just let them go; just plug and play.

I'd unload Hali.
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Actually good teams do. It's not that hard to replace a runner in the NFL. Hell the Chiefs are a perfect example of that all the way back to the '90's. Finding good runners that is.

How many Super Bowls did Barry Sanders win? How many has MJD won? Jamaal Charles? Adrian Peterson?

The fact of the matter is just this. It's a team game. You really have to be solid in every phase to win it all. For the most part. I'm sure you know this and I'm not singling you out. I just happened to be responding to your post when I decided to ramble on.

Best rb the chiefs ever had.....get rid of him /reeruned fans

But, thats the reality of our situation. Remember last off season...... If we had let Bowe walk, what would we have used for WR's this year? That was a big unknown.

You can find these threads about LJ, also. Anyone suggesting after the 2006 season that LJ would probably be good trade bait or not worth a big deal was called a reerun, because as Charles is now, LJ was the offense.

I know Charles is a much different (and better) player to LJ but there are some lessons worth learning when it comes to paying RBs.

He won't hold out and was extended to a very good deal before the team needed to. He made a lot of money over the last 4 years (for any running back).

Also, players really can't hold out anymore. They get fined an absurd amount per day for doing so. Dude signed a deal and knew there would be a low dollar amount in certain years. Play it out.

It just isn't logical at this point, any way you slice it.

It isn't hard to find "good" runners in the NFL, but we all know Jamaal is light years beyond good. Knile Davis seems to be pretty good and he averages more than a full YPC less than Charles.

Plus, we still basically have an unknown at QB. We can't get rid of our best offensive player without knowing that Alex can consistently carry the offense.

I'd be open to trading Jamaal after this next season provided the terms were right. And by right I'm talking heavily in our favor.. Even then, I'd hate to see him leave.