montana's first SB team wasn't loaded. dwight clark was above average, but other than that, show me who on that team (other than a good defense) that was above average. seriously.

Probably not. Probably a faulty assumption on my part.

Farve over Elway? O.o

only on a Chiefs ... or Packers forum would this happen.

I bet a Colts forum would do it pretty easily, too. Elway was a colossal bust for that team. It wasn't until his second team that he even got a starting position.

Ha! Good point!

You are a ****ing moron...LMAO

All-time leader, career, game-winning 4th quarter drives :

Dan Marino, FIFTY-****ING-ONE of them...

So you're saying he let his team get behind a lot?

Definite bias on this poll towards more recent QBs. Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas were head and shoulders better than the next best QB in the league in an era where passing was much more difficult. They defined the position.

Originally Posted by COchief
Manning is Marino, the only difference is he happened to get a SB win. Both are pussies when it comes down to it. Brady, Big Ben, and E Manning have that same clutch refuse to lose mentality when it comes down to it in big games. M&M were both regular season superstars.

I am embarrassed for you, go find a poop thread and avoid any further threads with intelligent debate please, for your sake.

I see your point, but you have to consider eras and athleticism. Baugh, Graham, and Unitas never faced down athletes like Deion Sanders, Ed Reed, and so forth. If you put Dick Butkis in today's NFL would he even make the team?

I truly do understand, I will probably be on a message board arguing Brady was the best QB of all time in 40 years to a bunch of 20 somethings that don't even know who he is. Just not really a discussion you can have unless you're on a AARP message board.

Plus what are we supposed to do, go watch entire seasons of 1950s football? We can really only comment on recent QBs, am I supposed to be able to tell if Terry Bradshaw was a good/great/average qb? I was shitting in my diapers when he was playing.

Actually, Bowe seems to be better at catching the shit passes than the ones that hit him in the hands.

Gotta give Elway the nod over Favre. Montana no...Wrangler boy yes. I shall puke now.

Oddly I agree and that does seem to be the case with him a lot of the times, maybe years of catching only horrible balls have ill-prepared him to catch one in the numbers. Like when they do actually happen, he's like "oh shit, I'm not used to catching these types of passes".

Emelen Tunnel, Nightrain Lane. I never saw Baugh or Graham play and only saw Unitas towards the end of his career. You have athletes in every era. Only difference is its a full year job to stay in shape. Butkus is too much a competitor to be held back. Have him work out like today's pros and he would be a much better athlete. I can't see a soft player like Deion playing in the 40s or 50s. The receivers would have shoved him all over the field. Ed Reed make plays with instinct, not athleticism. Can you see Joe Montana holding up in an era when there was no such thing as roughing the passer? Can you see a timing QB like Brady having success when there was no 5 yard chuck rule?

It's because he has a lot more practice catching the bad balls. The ones that hit him in the hands are a surprise.