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This can't possibly go wrong or be prematurely cancelled...

Batman Prequel 'Gotham' Headed to Fox

We all know where it will start. Gordon is a young up and coming detective, hand picked to find the murderer of the Waynes.

Honestly, I would much rather somebody made a Downton-esque show about Alfred taking care of an orphaned Bruce, and raising him to have a strong moral compass and compassion for the poor and weak.

Gotham without Batman. Hmm...not much interest.

This can be decent or down right ****ing awful

It's could be good if he has interaction with young alfred and dr.thompkin Plus a pre two face harvey dent too.

Don't we already have this in the multiple Law & Order shows?

/thread (show) over

Sounds boring as hell.

Sounds like they're trying to go the "Smallville" route, which i thought was pretty stupid (I can't stand Superman, so i guess i'm partial).

I don't know, if this is the series that's been in the works for a long time based on the Gothem Central comic, it could be good.

A police procedural that will keep showing hints of the Batman origin story when ratings falter. Sounds like crap.

Law&Order: Gotham.

The only thing that would make this interesting at all to me would be if they set it in the original time period:

Golden Agehttp://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/data:...ICTAEAOw%3D%3D

In Batman's first appearance in Detective Comics #27, he is already operating as a crime fighter. Batman's origin is first presented in Detective Comics #33 in November 1939, and is later fleshed out in Batman #47. As these comics state, Bruce Wayne is born to Dr. Thomas Wayne and his wife Martha, two very wealthy and charitable Gotham City socialites. Bruce is brought up in Wayne Manor and its wealthy splendor and leads a happy and privileged existence until the age of eight, when his parents are killed by a small-time criminal named Joe Chill on their way home from the movie theater. Bruce Wayne swears an oath to rid the city of the evil that had taken his parents' lives. He engages in intense intellectual and physical training; however, he realizes that these skills alone would not be enough. "Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot", Wayne remarks, "so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must be a creature of the night, black, terrible..." As if responding to his desires, a bat suddenly flies through the window, inspiring Bruce to assume the persona of Batman.

In early strips, Batman's career as a vigilante initially earns him the ire of the police. During this period Wayne has a fiancée named Julie Madison. Wayne takes in an orphaned circus acrobat, Dick Grayson, who becomes his sidekick, Robin. Batman also becomes a founding member of the Justice Society of America, although he, like Superman, is an honorary member and thus only participates occasionally. Batman's relationship with the law thaws quickly, and he is made an honorary member of Gotham City's police department. During this time, butler Alfred arrives at Wayne Manor and after deducing the Dynamic Duo's secret identities joins their service.

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Batman%27s_career_timeline

This is like setting a series in Metropolis centered around Perry White.....

Awful idea

Pretty much.

I'm out...

Ben McKenzie to Play Young Commissioner Gordon in Fox’s Batman Origin Series

“Gotham” has found its Detective James Gordon.

Fox and Warner Bros. TV have tapped Ben McKenzie to star in “Gotham,” casting the “Southland” alum as a young version of DC Comics’ famed Commissioner Gordon.

Fox topper Kevin Reilly announced at the net’s winter TCA session that “Gotham” will feature the origin story of Gordon along with Gotham City’s notable villains. A young Bruce Wayne will also be featured, as “Gotham” follows Wayne from his pre-teen years to the moment when it puts on the Batman cape for the first time.

Bruno Heller penned the pilot script for “Gotham,” which has a series commitment at Fox. He will exec produce with Danny Cannon, who also helmed the pilot.

McKenzie is no stranger to the Fox family, as the thesp landed his breakout role on the net’s sudsy drama “The O.C.” McKenzie also has experience working in the Batman universe, having voiced Bruce Wayne/Batman in 2011 animated pic “Batman: Year One.”

Sooo is this still focused on Bruce or Gordon? Pre-teen Bruce sounds awful.

yeah im very weary over this, but who knows, the show might end up being decent.

Having trouble getting interested for this.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/foxs...th-1201097899/

Alfred and Penguin cast....

Announcement follows news that Ben McKenzie will topline the project
TV Reporter
AJ Marechal
TV Reporter @Variety_AJM

After tapping Ben McKenzie to play a young Commissioner Gordon, Fox continues to bulk up its “Gotham” cast, announcing classic roles including the Penguin and Alfred Pennyworth for the much-anticipated “Batman” origin series.

Robin Lord Taylor will play Oswald Cobblepot, or the man better known as DC Comics villain the Penguin. With the brains of a chess grandmaster and the morals of a jackal, Cobblepot is a low-level psychopath for gangster Fish Mooney, and hides his sadistic lust for power behind an exquisitely polite demeanor.

Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce Wayne’s butler, will be played by Sean Pertwee. A tough-as-nails ex-marine from East London, Pennyworth has loyally served the Wayne family. Now, in the wake of their tragic deaths, he’s fiercely protective of the young Bruce Wayne — the boy who will eventually become Batman.

Additionally, Zabryna Guevara has been cast as Captain Essen, Detective Gordon’s boss at the Gotham City Police Department Homicide Squad. Essen balances the two worlds of police and politics with a Machiavellian skill that’s as much corporate litigator as cop. Erin Richards will play Barbara Kean, the fiance of Detective Gordon (McKenzie). A sophisticated emergency doctor, Kean stands by her husband amid the corrupt world of Gotham. Richards is repped by WME, Magnolia Entertainment and Curtis Brown in the UK.

Bruno Heller penned the pilot script for “Gotham,” which explores the origin stories of Commissioner James Gordon and the villains that made Gotham famous. A young Bruce Wayne has yet to be cast, though Fox topper Kevin Reilly hinted that he will be featured in the drama. Project currently has a series commitment at Fox.
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Set in Batmans city, but the star of the show is Gordon?

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Comics shown are apparently Gotham Central, Batman Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory. If those are at all influential on the development of the show, this could be awesome.

Nolan listed a bunch of trades before doing his movies and they were virtually nothing like it. These hollywood idiots with their own cash milking agenda don't know how to handle existing IPs properly.

lol penguin being fiercely protective of young Bruce? Give me a break. This will probably be one of those shows where every Batman villain makes an appearance in some way or another before he's actually Batman. They should be reading Gates of Gotham or Hush instead.

Couldn't agree more. I think it's also pretty shitty that someone would get cast as the main character who hasn't already read all of those and more.

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ROFL little catwoman in a.. little catwoman outfit. dear god make it stop plz

Would have been much better if they didn't hit you over the head with it at the end.

Yeah honestly I was thinking that it might be decent until it was like.. before.. RIDDLER, CATWOMAN, POISON IVY. Then it was just straight up facepalm from there and now I know for a fact that it will be shit.

This looks like complete and utter shit. Literally. Like a big steaming pile of shit.

I like the casting......but these actors need better material than this. in fact, They have already proven they can carry stronger material. Need better agents.

I didn't think that was bad at all. End was overkill but that's promotions these days.

Cancelled before Thanksgiving
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If Sleepy Hollow can survive a season, anything can.

Haha. True. FOX is funny sometimes. I saw they cancelled Almost Human recently.
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This. I'll give it a look.

Shit. I actually liked that show.

This will be a hit with people who are already fans of the DC Comics Universe, and of the characters. Otherwise . . .

- It's Batman without Batman.
- Or Joker, or Robin.
- There will be zero suspense about who lives and who dies. We know they all live.
- Except for Donal Logue, of course, who can't catch a break. I have no idea who his character is and I'm already sure he's marked for death at some point.
- Alfred is being played as ex-special forces, by the guy from Dog Soldiers.
- In the superhero genre, people want to see superpowers.
- It has Star Wars Episode One problems; that is, all the characters we thought were cool, except as children, which means they're not cool.
- It's network TV.
- Even moreso, it's on FOX. Who knows what they're thinking.

I give it two seasons. It will debut to relatively-big numbers, and they'll quickly renew. It will lag at the last half of season one, then by season two it will be Dead Show Walking.

I've heard a lot of comic book fans complaining about a lot regarding Batman over the years. They complain when things aren't "true to the comic". They're reeruned though. I'm sure they'd be ok with Alfred getting killed by a boulder, brought back to life by a scientist, gaining telekinetic powers, and wanting to kill Batman & Robin. I mean, it happened in the comics right? Can't stray from it. Not to mention all the other absurdly ridiculous things that have happened in the comics, including things that have been retconned. Alfred's backstory alone has changed about 1 million times.

^

This is some straight shit.

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So is this a prequel to Nolans Batman movies? Or just Batman in general?

Wow. I was on the fence after seeing the trailer, but this looks like total shit.

Only thing that looked off to me was the dude in the executioner's getup with the butcher knife. Otherwise looks pretty good to me.

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Early word on the pilot has been positive. Like "best pilot of the new season" positive.

This looks to me like the kind of show that TV people may like as a well-made TV show, but comic people won't necessarily like as a comic adaptation.

Honestly, I'd rather have a well made TV show than a faithful comic adaptation. Same goes for comic book movies.

Although...depending on how much of Gotham Central they're using, it could be both.

exactly. id rather have a well made unfaithful comic book movie than a crappy faithful comic book movie.

My interest level has been nil up until I saw the previews. It looks pretty good and will get a shot on my DVR.

looks hilariously bad

I'm fairly sure if rather get a colonoscopy with a ghost pepper than watch this show. **** it. I'm canceling cable Monday.

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So when do they bring Batman in? The final episode of season 6?

Gotham without Batman is like porn without chicks. Gay.

Looks like...

Did anyone watch this last night? Was it any good or a waist of TV time?

I liked it well worth watching.

I enjoyed it...had some corny dialogue but I'll keep watching

Actually kind of enjoyed it.

The way they introduced the villains was fairly disrespectful to the audience, IMO. It would have been more interesting to figure out the characters over time.

Yeah, they didn't waste any time at all revealing them. Of course, the people watching this series probably already knew who they were anyway. I found the Selina Kyle intro interesting in that she is older than Bruce and witnessed his parents murder.

I didn't have a problem with how they used Penguin or Selina, but Poison Ivy seemed like a pointless throw-in. I don't think the comedian was a proto-Joker, it was just a wink at the audience. They have to be careful as the show goes on though, it's going to be ridiculous if they end up with Batman's entire rogues gallery running around like the tween Legion of Doom.

Also it would have been nice if they could have found a way to make this show be Affleck-Batman's backstory, but Warner Bros probably isn't capable of that kind of planning and cooperation even if they wanted to do it.

I liked it, it has promise.

But I agree that the villain introductions were too on the nose, especially Penguin. At least with others they left it to just Nygma and Ivy, which noobs may not get immediately. But should've left it at Oswald, rather than calling him Penguin.

Longer arcs where the audience got to actually deduce who the characters were or would become would have been much better. This is TV; you've got time. Do it right.

I agree completely with this statement. Also, I didn't need to see them all in the first episode. It wasn't a bad show, and I'll dvr it and watch it next week. it could still be total crap, or pretty good.

pretty much sums up my thoughts completely:

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TL;DR: If this wasnt about Batman it would be a pretty lousy cop procedural.

It seems okay. Would like them to go deeper into the corruptions of Gotham..and let James Gordon be more of a side story like the little kid Bruce Wayne.

From my friends I have heard nothing but terrible things about this show.

So I've finally caught up on the season. Have to say I like it so far. Much like The Flash it has its moments of dumb, but it's well produced and well acted and entertaining so far. And it has a full season order, so it's not going anywhere.

And in news that I'm sure many here will like, it's been announced today that Morena Baccarin is joining the cast in a recurring role as Dr. Leslie Thompkins.

This. I've already seen Nolan shit on the Batverse in the movies and then DC itself shit on it with the New 52, I couldn't stand seeing it shit on this hard on the small screen too.

I like the series so far. Surprisingly.

Do you like anything that's not written by Grant Morrison?

Sorry dude, I think Scott Snyder is a good writer and did a great job with Swamp Thing and his run on 'Tec was epic (I also own this TP), but his New 52 Batman stuff... not my Batman. His little crony Kyle Higgins completely destroyed Nightwing as well.

Nolan's Batverse was ****ing awesome. I understand the things you wouldn't care for in it, as I didn't care for some things, but god damn it was a great trilogy. Much better than the Burton and Schumacher shitfests.

I've noticed that your comic takes in general tend to be Morrison-centric, and I was reacting more to you characterizing the Nolan movies as shitting on Batman.

I haven't particularly enjoyed Snyder's run, but I don't see how it shits on the character either. Bad comics are temporary. Leatherface Joker is idiotic, but temporary. Over time the good bits stick and the bad stuff is forgotten. If someone wants to start reading Batman you don't tell them to work their way forward from Detective 27, you recommend the best stuff.

I've enjoyed it so far. Bit tedious here and there, but overall promising.

Wow. That's a hell of a plan. Did you sit down with a panel of chimpanzees and a bucket of crack and come up with that one?

LMAO

This was the best episode of this series tonight.

That's not saying a lot, but if every episode from here on out is this good, I'll keep watching. Liked the introduction of Harley Quinn.

Thought the last two weeks were both the best since the pilot.

I must've missed Harley Quinn. Not sure what you're referring to there.

She was the baker lady. She called Falcone "Mr. F." Totally Harley Quinn.