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Deberg_1990 08-04-2013 04:06 PM

NCAA investigating whether Johnny Manziel was paid for autographs
 
http://tracking.si.com/2013/08/04/nc...el-autographs/



The NCAA is investigating whether Johnny Manziel was paid for signing autographs in January, ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” is reporting.


The Heisman Trophy-winning Texas A&M quarterback agreed to sign hundreds of autographs on photos and sports memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip to Miami for the BCS National Championship Game, according to the report.

Manziel reportedly met with autograph broker Drew Tieman at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Jan. 6.

From the report:

Three sources said Manziel signed photographs, footballs, mini football helmets and other items at the request of an autograph broker named Drew Tieman. Two sources, who are aware of the signing arrangement, told “Outside the Lines” that Tieman approached Manziel on Jan. 6 when he landed at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to attend the game between Alabama and Notre Dame the next day.
After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman’s residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room. Before Manziel left South Florida, after taking in the title game, he signed hundreds of autographs more, one source said.

NCAA assistant director of enforcement James Garland contacted Tieman and at least one person associated with the signings in June to ask about Manziel-autographed items that were on sale on eBay, according to the report.

Manziel could be ruled ineligible to play if the investigation finds that he violated NCAA Bylaw 12.5.2.1 — “accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service.”

The investigation continues a tumultuous offseason for “Johnny Football,” who has been under fire for his partying habits, which may have contributed to his early departure from the Manning Passing Academy in July.

T-post Tom 08-04-2013 04:09 PM

Edged out by 2 mins. :)

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:17 PM

LMAO
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big nasty kcnut 08-04-2013 04:18 PM

johnny racist strikes again
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DeezNutz 08-04-2013 04:20 PM

Five-figure fee is nice, but doesn't he come from a very wealthy family? If so, this would be an indefensibly stupid move.

Now, if his family were poor, I can understand why he'd take this type of risk.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9858342)
Five-figure fee is nice, but doesn't he come from a very wealthy family? If so, this would be an indefensibly stupid move.

Now, if his family were poor, I can understand why he'd take this type of risk.

he is a dumb ****
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kstater 08-04-2013 04:21 PM

SEC SEC SEC

keg in kc 08-04-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9858342)
Five-figure fee is nice, but doesn't he come from a very wealthy family? If so, this would be an indefensibly stupid move.

Now, if his family were poor, I can understand why he'd take this type of risk.

There's no way somebody somewhere didn't educate him about what he can and can't do. I think it's just indefensibly stupid from every angle.

And I agree with the argument that players should be able to get paid for this kind of thing. But the reality is the rules are what they are.

Bewbies 08-04-2013 04:22 PM

Beer aint cheap.

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-04-2013 04:23 PM

He's an arrogant, overrated douchebag. The Brian Bosworth of QBs. Even worse, he'll never make a movie as good as Stone Cold.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:23 PM

IMO he is getting paid for what he does. School isn't free
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DeezNutz 08-04-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9858350)
There's no way somebody somewhere didn't educate him about what he can and can't do. I think it's just indefensibly stupid from every angle.

And I agree with the argument that players should be able to get paid for this kind of thing. But the reality is the rules are what they are.

Oh, he definitely knows. But I believe that major college athletes are exploited tremendously, so I cannot get too agitated if some try to profit from their success.

keg in kc 08-04-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9858360)
IMO he is getting paid for what he does. School isn't free
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I'm thinking more along the lines of all the people (including the school) getting paid for the use of his name other than him.

In any case, as I said, that's a moot point. The rules are what they are.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9858372)
I'm thinking more along the lines of all the people (including the school) getting paid for the use of his name other than him.

In any case, as I said, that's a moot point. The rules are what they are.

I can understand that line of thinking too...
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BigMeatballDave 08-04-2013 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9858360)
School isn't free
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I bet his tuition is.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9858430)
I bet his tuition is.

Probably for him, that's why I said IMO he was getting paid
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Nightfyre 08-04-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9858360)
IMO he is getting paid for what he does. School isn't free
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Err... Last I checked football players under scholarship not only get tuition, but a living stipend as well.

007 08-04-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9858444)
Err... Last I checked football players under scholarship not only get tuition, but a living stipend as well.

pretty sure that was his point.

LMAO at Johnny football blowing up his career already.

Bambi 08-04-2013 04:49 PM

There's a reason why the SEC has won 7 titles in a row. It's not too difficult to figure out how things work down there.

Bewbies 08-04-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9858462)
There's a reason why the SEC has won 7 titles in a row. It's not too difficult to figure out how things work down there.

Yeah. They beat the shit out of everyone else. That's about it.

Bambi 08-04-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9858465)
Yeah. They beat the shit out of everyone else. That's about it.

180k, Urban Meyer, Manziel..... it just keeps going, and going, and going

SAUTO 08-04-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9858444)
Err... Last I checked football players under scholarship not only get tuition, but a living stipend as well.

Like I said. He's getting paid
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CrazyPhuD 08-04-2013 04:54 PM

Is it too late for him to sign up for the supplemental draft??? :D

the Talking Can 08-04-2013 04:54 PM

iirc, aj green got suspended 4 games for signing a couple of shirts..


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ATHENS, Ga. -- The NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement upheld Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green's four-game suspension on Friday.

During a conference call on Friday morning, Georgia officials appealed Green's ban. The suspension came after the Bulldogs star admitted selling his 2009 Independence Bowl jersey for $1,000 to former North Carolina defensive back Chris Hawkins, who the NCAA described as an agent or someone who markets amateur athletes.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5585220

Planetman 08-04-2013 04:58 PM

Johnny Football
Johnny Overslept
Johnny Autograph
Johnny Got Paid
Johnny Shit For Brains

-King- 08-04-2013 05:08 PM

He's stupid...but NCAA rules are stupider. Can't wait until the end of that corrupt league.

Mr. Laz 08-04-2013 05:11 PM

Doug Flutie junior

MMXcalibur 08-04-2013 05:13 PM

That Heisman is the worst thing that could have happened to him.
Shit for brains done lost his mind.

Chiefs Pantalones 08-04-2013 05:14 PM

It's dumb to not be able to make money off your own autograph, but it's even dumber to know that's the rules and do it anyway. All of this fame is obviously too big for this kid. It all happened so fast.

Eleazar 08-04-2013 05:14 PM

Johnny Moneyball?

-King- 08-04-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 9858523)
That Heisman is the worst thing that could have happened to him.
Shit for brains done lost his mind.

Maybe it's because I didn't know anything about him before last year, but I've never seen success go to a persons head so fast.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 05:15 PM

He is a ****ing idiot.
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FD 08-04-2013 05:17 PM

Who could have ever seen this coming?

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/20...el-casino1.jpg

Chiefs Pantalones 08-04-2013 05:20 PM

Johnny Football Card.

Nightfyre 08-04-2013 05:22 PM

Johnny Mandouche

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-04-2013 05:29 PM

Lol Haters

5000+ yards

Chiefs Pantalones 08-04-2013 05:32 PM

This is Charles' reaction to this...

@jcharles25: #remake laughing without smiling #CampFace https://t.co/Yjxo5ayZXf

FD 08-04-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9858552)
This is Charles' reaction to this...

@jcharles25: #remake laughing without smiling #CampFace https://t.co/Yjxo5ayZXf

That is terrifying.

Saul Good 08-04-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9858462)
There's a reason why the SEC has won 7 titles in a row. It's not too difficult to figure out how things work down there.

So you're saying the reason the SEC wins is because a 3 star kid who had been at aTm for two seasons might have been paid for signing autographs?

Eleazar 08-04-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858566)
So you're saying the reason the SEC wins is because a 3 star kid who had been at aTm for two seasons might have been paid for signing autographs?

That's a good point. He was imported. Would he have been recruited to play QB in the SEC?

LoneWolf 08-04-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858566)
So you're saying the reason the SEC wins is because a 3 star kid who had been at aTm for two seasons might have been paid for signing autographs?

Well, there is that and also the superior athletes they recruit.

Saul Good 08-04-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9858573)
Well, there is that and also the superior athletes they recruit.

Texas recruits the best players in the country. They don't win shit.

-King- 08-04-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9858552)
This is Charles' reaction to this...

@jcharles25: #remake laughing without smiling #CampFace https://t.co/Yjxo5ayZXf

LMAO LMAO LMAO

LoneWolf 08-04-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858575)
Texas recruits the best players in the country. They don't win shit.

Vince Young begs to differ.

The SEC as a whole recruits and signs more 5 star recruits than any other conference. That was my point.

Saul Good 08-04-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9858590)
Vince Young begs to differ.

The SEC as a whole recruits and signs more 5 star recruits than any other conference. That was my point.

The SEC has won seven straight titles since then, and none of them have signed more talented kids than Texas. The SEC has the best coaches. That's why they win. The players have followed the coaches, and those players have wound up in the NFL. As a top recruit, you'd be nuts not to play there given the opportunity.

If one kid signed autographs and took money, that has nothing to do with competitive balance.

Simply Red 08-04-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858601)
The SEC has won seven straight titles since then, and none of them have signed more talented kids than Texas. The SEC has the best coaches. That's why they win. The players have followed the coaches, and those players have wound up in the NFL. As a top recruit, you'd be nuts not to play there given the opportunity.

If one kid signed autographs and took money, that has nothing to do with competitive balance.

Would you lick a chick's ass though?

BlackHelicopters 08-04-2013 06:00 PM

Weed ain't free. Neither are hookers and blow.

LoneWolf 08-04-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858601)
The SEC has won seven straight titles since then, and none of them have signed more talented kids than Texas. The SEC has the best coaches. That's why they win. The players have followed the coaches, and those players have wound up in the NFL. As a top recruit, you'd be nuts not to play there given the opportunity.

If one kid signed autographs and took money, that has nothing to do with competitive balance.

Yeah right, Texas had the 24th ranked recruiting class in the nation according to Rivals this past season. Meanwhile, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Texas A&M, and Georgia were in the top 12.

Chizik won a National Championship at Auburn with Cam Newton, but was run out of town two years later. These coaches are only as good as the players they are able to recruit.

TLO 08-04-2013 06:10 PM

Do not care.

Mav 08-04-2013 06:12 PM

A rich kid, who has to sell his own autograph.

Brady Quinn did the same shit during his rookie training camp with the Browns. Its stupid, and selfish. Ill never pay for an autograph. I really hope this kid gets suspended......

BlackHelicopters 08-04-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9858613)
Would you lick a chick's ass though?

Yes

Saul Good 08-04-2013 06:21 PM

Texas has been 2, 3, 3, 5 the past four seasons.

FD 08-04-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9858690)
Texas has been 2, 3, 3, 5 the past four seasons.

Texas' problem was putting all its eggs in the Garrett Gilbert basket than watched him fall on his face with nobody around to step in except Colt McCoy's little brother. That and Mack Brown.

Back on topic though, the offshore line on A&M vs Alabama moved 3 pts one week ago. People knew this story was going to break.

vailpass 08-04-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9858342)
Five-figure fee is nice, but doesn't he come from a very wealthy family? If so, this would be an indefensibly stupid move.

Now, if his family were poor, I can understand why he'd take this type of risk.

This right here. Even if poor though it's a dumb move. That autograph guy is also an ass for doing that.

SAUTO 08-04-2013 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9858721)
This right here. Even if poor though it's a dumb move. That autograph guy is also an ass for doing that.

They don't care about anyone but themselves
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BWillie 08-04-2013 06:35 PM

Would he have been smart enough to take cash, from one person without any witnesses......if so its impossible to prove. All Johnny would have to do is deny it. If he took a check and multiple witnesses were around to see it then that is monumentally stupid

Saul Good 08-04-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FD (Post 9858701)
Texas' problem was putting all its eggs in the Garrett Gilbert basket than watched him fall on his face with nobody around to step in except Colt McCoy's little brother. That and Mack Brown.

Back on topic though, the offshore line on A&M vs Alabama moved 3 pts one week ago. People knew this story was going to break.

Texas has a lot more problems than that. Their defense was terrible last year, and it was supposed to be so good that they were going to be in the hunt for a NC even though their offense was mediocre. Gilbert was a class of 2009 recruit.

Setsuna 08-04-2013 09:34 PM

ROFL Alabama players are disappoint. They wanted to take that chump to the wood shed too.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-04-2013 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9859178)
ROFL Alabama players are disappoint. They wanted to take that chump to the wood shed too.

Driskel lol

ROYC75 08-04-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 9858523)
That Heisman is the worst thing that could have happened to him.
Shit for brains done lost his mind.

This !

Fat Elvis 08-04-2013 11:47 PM

I think he absolutely knew what he was doing. And he could do it because he didn't need the money.

He just gave the NCAA a giant FU.

He pretty much gave everyone else a giant FU too by, in essence, saying the rules don't apply to him.

It was a blatant disregard.

He's saying, "I'm so important that you (NCAA) can't afford to make me play by the rules. I bring in too much $$$."

T A&M has a lot of pull in this situation as well. They are a wealthy school. They have a $7B endowment. An endowment that size is funded by people who are used to getting their own way. And those people want to see Johnny Football on Saturdays.

I think he is a self-entitled prick, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It might wind up opening the doors (or cash register drawers) for a lot of other players in the NCAA.

Pepe Silvia 08-04-2013 11:50 PM

He needs to fade away.

tredadda 08-05-2013 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9859303)
I think he absolutely knew what he was doing. And he could do it because he didn't need the money.

He just gave the NCAA a giant FU.

He pretty much gave everyone else a giant FU too by, in essence, saying the rules don't apply to him.

It was a blatant disregard.

He's saying, "I'm so important that you (NCAA) can't afford to make me play by the rules. I bring in too much $$$."

T A&M has a lot of pull in this situation as well. They are a wealthy school. They have a $7B endowment. An endowment that size is funded by people who are used to getting their own way. And those people want to see Johnny Football on Saturdays.

I think he is a self-entitled prick, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It might wind up opening the doors (or cash register drawers) for a lot of other players in the NCAA.

^ This. I think this will add more fuel to the ongoing lawsuit between former players and the NCAA and I could see the rules changing because of it all. To suspend him outright could be bad for the NCAA.

Dayze 08-05-2013 08:25 AM

the more and more I think about the NCAA as I get older, the more and more I think it's a total scam.

I feel sorry, to an extent, for the high profile players who get exploited. I know that most are getting a free education and that's a fair trade-off; and the very high profile athletes are most likely going to have a chance at the pros.....but just the principle of the matter makes me sick.

I honestly (no sarcasm here) am not sure why the NCAA exists.

Sorter 08-05-2013 08:30 AM

Stupid rule.


Stupid player.

Xanathol 08-05-2013 08:33 AM

If he did it, burn him.

The only problem I have with the NCAA is their selective enforcement:

1. Cam Newton allowed to play when Mark Emmert basically says the rules don't cover a parent shopping their kid - even though they clearly did!

2. Still no deathknell on Miami, who's been explicitly dirty since the 80s.

3. Alabama can rival Miami in its corruption and not even get major press hits over it ( cars, homes, jobs, suits, sell autographs, etc ).

chiefzilla1501 08-05-2013 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9859303)
I think he absolutely knew what he was doing. And he could do it because he didn't need the money.

He just gave the NCAA a giant FU.

He pretty much gave everyone else a giant FU too by, in essence, saying the rules don't apply to him.

It was a blatant disregard.

He's saying, "I'm so important that you (NCAA) can't afford to make me play by the rules. I bring in too much $$$."

T A&M has a lot of pull in this situation as well. They are a wealthy school. They have a $7B endowment. An endowment that size is funded by people who are used to getting their own way. And those people want to see Johnny Football on Saturdays.

I think he is a self-entitled prick, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It might wind up opening the doors (or cash register drawers) for a lot of other players in the NCAA.

Given the precedence the ncaa set with usc and osu, they have to consider sanctions for Texas a and m. Until they fix is ridiculous rule, they have to stop being so damn inconsistent in its enforcement.

Dayze 08-05-2013 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanathol (Post 9859531)
If he did it, burn him.

The only problem I have with the NCAA is their selective enforcement:

1. Cam Newton allowed to play when Mark Emmert basically says the rules don't cover a parent shopping their kid - even though they clearly did!

2. Still no deathknell on Miami, who's been explicitly dirty since the 80s.

3. Alabama can rival Miami in its corruption and not even get major press hits over it ( cars, homes, jobs, suits, sell autographs, etc ).

wut?

Sorter 08-05-2013 08:41 AM

The NCAA reminds me of FILA more and more.

chiefzilla1501 08-05-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanathol (Post 9859531)
If he did it, burn him.

The only problem I have with the NCAA is their selective enforcement:

1. Cam Newton allowed to play when Mark Emmert basically says the rules don't cover a parent shopping their kid - even though they clearly did!

2. Still no deathknell on Miami, who's been explicitly dirty since the 80s.

3. Alabama can rival Miami in its corruption and not even get major press hits over it ( cars, homes, jobs, suits, sell autographs, etc ).

Add in that joke of a punishment for Oregon. Of all schools recently busted, they are the only team that clearly cheated for competitive advantage.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-05-2013 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9859540)
Given the precedence the ncaa set with usc and osu, they have to consider sanctions for Texas a and m. Until they fix is ridiculous rule, they have to stop being so damn inconsistent in its enforcement.

Where's the cover-up here? I don't see how Texas A&M is at any fault under this investigation.

AndChiefs 08-05-2013 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides (Post 9859562)
Where's the cover-up here? I don't see how Texas A&M is at any fault under this investigation.

Obviously they should have held his hand the entire trip.

Provided it actually happened of course.

chiefzilla1501 08-05-2013 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides (Post 9859562)
Where's the cover-up here? I don't see how Texas A&M is at any fault under this investigation.

OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.

chiefzilla1501 08-05-2013 09:21 AM

Long story short, the ncaa is laying the hammer down to schools that fight back and don't follow their ridiculous set of compliance guidelines. And they slap schools in the wrist for breaking actual rules. That's ****ed up.

And that's how Oregon got away with murder. They cheated, they actually Paid for the cheating (versus boosters), the e tire school knew they were cheating, and they reported nothing until they got caught. Once they got caught, they were perfect gentlemen about compliance.

Moral of the story is, break all the rules, don't report anything, but when you get caught, bend over and comply.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-05-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9859606)
OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.

That's a cover up. Huge If

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-05-2013 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9859606)
OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.

Nobody outside of Texas had even heard of him until September 2012. Another stretch.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-05-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9859606)
OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.

Example please.

Saul Good 08-05-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9859606)
OSU didn't cover up anything. The coach did. If the entire program is going to get busted for a coach's or players actions, then a and m falls in that category too.

Manziel had likely done his for a while. If the coaches knew about it and played him anyway and/or chose not to report it, then this is just as bad as osu. Again, I think it's a terrible rule especially since the coach can leave then make a multi million dollar deal in the Nfl. But the ncaa has to be consistent and they simply haven't been.

But it doesn't change the fact that Oregon was by far the worst violation and they got off the easiest.

I'm sure Johnny was raking in the cash signing autographs as a 3-star freshman who hadn't played a down of football and redshirted the previous year.

KC native 08-05-2013 09:47 AM

hahaha **** aggie

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-05-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9859644)
hahaha **** aggie

Doesn't he know there are better ways to make money? /TCU football players


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