Girl buys water, spends night in jail
 

I found this story interesting/entertaining.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...181104442.html
Is it common practice to draw a weapon on an underage person suspected of purchasing alcohol?

Barney and Gomer must have been on duty:shake:

I bet they get her for terrorism.

Great job, CrazyCoffey.

That is some bull shit if they get prosecuted.

Ice Pirates

Again?

The prosecutions case won't hold water

Cop clowns

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-cont...ownCop1991.jpg

Lol, six men and one woman it took. Jeebus. And another squad car pulled her over a minute later. This seems very excessive. Remind me not to buy water in Charlottesville, Va if the time ever comes.

Cops pull guns on people they think are underage buying alcohol?

This same story is in DC, BTW.

They aren't cops. They are ABC agents. She and her friend had just spent a few hours hearing about rape victim stories.

The agents were in plainclothes (they don't wear uniforms). They did show their badges. She already apologized and admitted she over-reacted.

The charges against her have been dropped.

I assume 90% of the posters on this site are like me and avoid DC entirely due to the extreme levels of party-liners and stupidity, and therefore did not see this story.

In fairness, the kids I knew in high school who bought alcohol tended to be hoodlums who hit people in gym class and smoked behind the shop building at lunch.

I wasn't complaining. Just stating a fact. The thread title is amusing, however:

"Welcome to Police State America"

WTF is an ABC agent? Is that like kindergarten for beginning cops? It would seem so after reading that story.

It doesn't seem very excessive - it seems mother****ing insane.

It would seem the good state of VA is wasting the tax payers money with that outfit.

agreed, and we don't often agree.

Are you actually defending these idiots, idiots who drew a weapon on a couple of teenage girls who they suspected of buying alcohol illegally?

You get more bizarre everyday.

And of course no one has ever flashed fake badges before in order to commit a crime.

No shit, especially if they get hit with some "pain and suffering/mental anguish" suit.


I'm still hung up on the idiots jumping on the hood of her car and pulling their guns, even if Rain Man's theory made a ton of sense.

There's number two.

I'm not sure that I need to defend them. They were doing their job (lawfully enforcing the law) and the females freaked out and fled. Law enforcement officers tend to get a bit annoyed when you flee.

As to getting more bizarre by the day, I'd suggest you take a peek in the mirror, Mikey. You've been off the rocker since Snowden. It's a shame.

I worked in a liquor store for 20 years and I never knew ABC were armed. They're dicks, but carrying guns, too? I am glad I moved on from that job.

What law did she initially break that led to them jumping on her car?

Fleeing from law enforcement officers, I presume.

When law enforcement officers are completely unrecognizable, fleeing is understandable.

****ing idiot cops are responsible for this.

They showed their badges, GoChiefs, as you know.

Yeah, no one has ever impersonated the cops before to commit a crime.

Of course they have. The first agent to approach the vehicle was female, too.

Is it fleeing when the police were 100% wrong?


That would suck if I was wrongfully arrested, and got charged with resisting because I was pissed at something so obviously wrong.

What happens if an unmarked ABC agent comes at me with a gun and I pull my concealed pistol and kill him?


I wasn't doing anything wrong to begin with........

I had a out of uniform Iowa state patrolman go all BIG BAD COP on me, & show me his badge.
At a ****ing Selena Gomez concert in Nebraska two years ago
At first I was like oh shit,then I was like.ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!!!!!!
You dnt have any jurisdictions over here. & he just got back in line.
I was in my car with my kids & the Dick-trouper heard me drop an F-bomb.

100% wrong? How so?

They were doing their job. They suspected that these girls were underage and had purchased alcohol. If the girls had just cooperated, there wouldn't have been a need to flee.

Water is wet when in liquid form.


Any arguments? ROFL

Please explain how the ABC agents "were 100% wrong" and we'll go from there. Or, was that just hyperbole?

This. No reason whatsoever to pull a gun for an alcohol bust.

Jumping on the car's hood and pulling a gun on potential underraged drinkers is part of their job?

Are you high?

I am not wasting any more of my time since you are obviously looking for attention.

That's illegal.

By trying to break car windows and threatening innocent girls with guns?

Come on.

Just ****ing talk to the girl.

No, I'm trying to ascertain how you reached that conclusion. I'll take your lack of detail to mean that you were indeed employing hyperbole.

They WERE trying to speak with the girl. The female agent approached first and then called the other agents over because the girls weren't being cooperative.

This really isn't such a huge story. The girls admit they over-reacted and the charges have been dropped.

They were not doing their jobs. 7 agents it does not take to take on a couple 20 year old girls buying water. Sorry, but this was piss poor execution, and they should all lose their badges.

That's what the girls claimed, yes. If that proves to be true, I'll agree that the agents over-reacted as well to the situation. But, it's still a situation that escalated because the girls were admittedly on-edge over what they saw earlier.

Well, the girl agent needed help. Females are like that.

I'm no law enforcement agent, but it does seem to me like the preferred approach would be:

1. Approach the girls, say hi.
2. Show your badge and say, "It looks like you've got some beer."
3. Look at water, say "Never mind. Have a nice day."

I'm not sure that hood-jumping and gun-drawing were necessary unless she got belligerent at the three steps above and got in her car or started it after Step 3.

I don't understand how it is appropriate to draw your weapon on someone at all in this context. Unless they were explicitly trying to run you over.

I see no evidence that they attempted to speak with her calmly.

The story goes:

badge flash - guns pulled - scared girls - borderline assault - unjust arrest

According to the articles, she did graze a couple of the agents with her SUV when she fled. I don't know if the gun was pulled before, during or after that happened (if at all).

Not quite:

ABC spokeswoman Kathleen Shaw said in the agency statement released Friday afternoon that agents were working the area that night, concentrating on underage possession enforcement. Shaw said a female agent saw "what appeared to be an underage person in possession of what appeared to be a case of beer."

"The agent identified herself as a police officer and was displaying her badge," the statement said.

"Other agents did not join the incident until the subject refused to cooperate," ABC said. "Rather than comply with the officers' requests, the subject drove off, striking two officers."

Seems to me the cheapest way, and maybe most effective way to keep underage kids from drinking would be to park one marked patrol car with one police officer in the parking lot.

those abc agents are heroes

/donger

Oh look. More hyperbole.

the only way these officers could have been more wreckless with the lives of law abiding americans is if the officer on the hood of the car, gun drawn, lost balance and shot the driver.

over a six pack. alleged at that.

But I know the line of thought -- comply or die. This has nothing to do with breaking the law, obviously.

that stupid girl shouldn't have made a purchase at a store that sells alcohol if she didn't want to be arrested. It's her fault for being there. No police or government official in the history of the USA has ever done anything wrong, they are all heroes.

/donger

The ABC agents should have contacted the NSA first and asked to listen to the last few phone calls the girls made. They probably would have heard them discussing going out for water with their friends, and the whole incident could have been avoided.

Man, the whole kook brigade is invading. I hope teedubya is next.

LMAO

see, this is why folks shit on you. because you've already stunk the room up.

Rain man, mylonsd and Pitt are Kook brigade? Look, no one, absolutely no one except you seem to think these officers acted appropriately. That says something, but you seem to have a bit of difficulty looking in the mirror at times.

I don't know what that means.

The story is a bit confusing about whether they drew their guns and hoodjumps first or whether she revved her SUV first. It also is unclear about whether she got in her SUV before or after being approached. These are kind of important details as we conduct the Chiefsplanet trial.

I was referring to the folks who are engaged in hyperbole. I didn't see any of that from the three you mentioned.

And, I've already said that if it is shown that the officers drew weapons and tried to break the windows, that is most likely an over-reaction to the situation.

The girl is guilty.

It is obvious.

She purchased sparkling water from the ABC store and deserved to be accosted by rent-a-cops who clearly crave action.

Indeed, pig lover.

This seems damning.

The girls definitely overreacted.

However, the police officers did go over the top in their reaction.

At this point, the only people claiming that a gun was drawn and windows almost broken are the girls. If the agents acknowledge that as being true, I'll agree that the agents over-reacted.

Donger is a Govt. shill, people. And a shit poster.

He defends all things govt., big oil, banks and corporate corruption. Donger gets a spot in the 7th level of hell near Hitler.

Should have shot them

She wouldn't have panicked if they were in uniform? Girl going to get raped.

It's so terrifying seeing which of your high school classmates wind up in law enforcement.

Clearly the best use of police time – seven plainclothes agents busting one terrified 20-year-old for carrying this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0I4stur9Wc...0/5-13+030.jpg

What's great is she took that sparkling water home, made cocktails, and boozed up in the privacy of her own home. :evil:

**** tha poleece.

It's a well documented fact, that in many districts, police forces only hire people with IQs no higher than 105.

Here's a story from 2000.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...6#.UdDEaD5ATwU

Hey at least they're not still bullying reeruned kids and torturing small animals.

Yes!

LMAO

Sounds like a ridiculous Will Ferrell comedy - Cops take it too seriously and try too hard.. Cheri Oteri hops on the hood of the car, belly first while aiming her pistol at the poor girls. Then Rob Riggle somehow has one of those battering rams the SWAT team uses to bust down doors and hes smashing out their windows with it. Then as they try to make their getaway Kathryn Hahn dramatically flings herself in front of the moving vehicle...

It's not about people being kooks. It's about you being a dumbass on this topic.

Here's what you need to know when you look to assess blame here. This is a case where the po po were so out of line that a woman 'grazed' a couple of them with her car, and she's not getting prosecuted for it.

This explains CrazyCoffey.