Williamson: Early AFC West Salary Cap Check...
 

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...lary-cap-check

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012...t-cap-strategy

If the Raiders release Big Dic Seymour, grab him up.

$16.1 million under the cap BEFORE we release Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel. We'll be in fine shape.

Faid so full of fail once again.

Can't believe the Bengals have $55 mil of cap space. Those numbers are going to change after the season is over and bonuses and incentives kick in...

And if they are able to extend Bowe or Albert (rather than tag them), their cap figures would actually go down.

This team could really do some damage in FA this off-season if it wanted to.

What are you thinking?


Who should we target?

Hopefully we will spend wisely.

They goddamn better sign Albert and Bowe.

You have to think Bowe is excited to play for Reid, and also that that ****ing scumbag Pioli is gone.

**** Pioli. Seriously. How the **** do you not sign Bowe? He's the best WR we've had in 30 years. Sign him to his second ****ing contract. Or everyone dies.

FS Jairus Byrd
LG Andy Levitre
CB Sam Shields
WR Greg Jennings

We get two of those guys it would be fantastic. They will all get big money.

Byrd and Shields would be great gets, and I'd rather spend a pick on Maclin or Harvin than Jennings at this point.

I don't know if we have a legitimate shot at Byrd.....but I would take Goldson as a consolation prize.

Is Sam Shields really good? Idk much about him.

I'd rather have Sean Smith.

I'm confused when we need to pay Tyson the huge salary-I thought it was in 2014 not 2013

He allowed a lower percentage of receptions than Brandon Flowers. And he only gave up 21 catches all year.

He's a stud, and only 25.

I also just realized he's a RFA so we're probably not gonna get him.

Jarius Byrd or Dashon Goldson
Sean Smith
Andy Levitre

Hes either getting franchised or getting a big money deal from the dolphins.
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Arrowhead isn't a dome.

Over Jake Long?

Sean Smith is not good, BTW.

He was really bad in 2011 (I learned the hard way, because he was on my Sandbox team), and improved only marginally this season.

Fins are 47m under. I think they lock up both.

I dunno what this means, but if Dorsey is our GM I bet we go after Jennings, because Dorsey drafted Jennings.

I read they don't want him back. And hes a barely above average LT right now so hes not a priority.
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Spending picks on veterans should be absolutely out of the question this season.

The Chiefs choose either #1 or #2 in each round, in addition to the additional 3rd rounder (which cannot be traded) for Carr.

They need to load up on young talent, not trade it away.

This!

You wouldn't trade the second pick in teh second round for Harvin?

**** no.

He's missed games due to migraines and injuries. He's unreliable. I'd rather take a chance in the draft or free agency before giving up a pick, ESPECIALLY pick number 34.

That's absurd.

I'm not a fan of getting Jennings, considering the age and cost. I would love to see us get Byrd though.

No maybe a 4th.

I think this team desperately needs some veterans, but not in the draft.

Bring in 3 or 4 vets in FA and then inject the team with youth through the draft.

ROFL Yeah, I'm sure that'll get him.

Injury and coachability concerns have harpooned trade value before. I'm not saying a fourth will get him, but it really wouldn't surprise me, frankly, if the vikings are tired of his shit.

They'd be dumb as shit to deal him for that.

Albert and Bowe at all costs. Get them back.

We desperately need another safety. At this point I don't care if it's FS or SS, just get someone in here to make Lewis what he should be - a nice depth safety.

An established interior lineman, ideally a center. You'll also want at least one versatile backup as well.

I don't like the CB market; it's overpriced and looking very mediocre this year so I think you're a little hamstrung there. Any 'box' players would require knowing the defense we prefer first.

And I think you use the rest to extend a trade target. You go after Harvin or Maclin and sign them long-term.

This.

How much will space will be added when we flush those turds?

ESPN Twin Cities reports Percy Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier had yet another heated exchange that likely contributed to the receiver being placed on injured reserve earlier this month.
It's the third documented issue with Harvin and the organization since June. The exchange is believed to have begun in the training room and has fueled speculation that the "deteriorating" relationship between the two men could lead to Harvin's exit from Minnesota. Seeking a new contract and frustrated with the identity of the Vikings offense, Harvin briefly issued a trade request last offseason. The team will have to decide whether to offer him a long-term deal heavy on performance-based incentives and escalators or prepare to shop him in March and April. One NFL personnel man estimates that Harvin would draw a second- or third-round pick in a contract year.


Plus he's missed games the last 2 years. No team is gonna give them a 2nd round pick.

How come Denver is referred to as "they" and we are referred to as "it"?

Rude.

I agree with everything but this. Rodney Hudson was the most decorated OL at FSU for a reason.

He's gonna be a very solid C for years.

I'd be surprised if it only took a 4th for him.

Not interested though. Misses too many games.

IMO we would be dumb as shit to give up that.
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Good. Play him at G. The position he PLAYED HIS ENTIRE CAREER AT FSU.

Maclin and Harvin are both 24 - how are either of them not 'young talent'?

Those are exactly the kinds of guys you would be willing to give away a good pick for. No, you don't give a pick up for a guy like Jennings, but both Harvin and Maclin have 5+ years left in their primes. And they're sure-fire NFL contributors. They've gone through the WR learning curve (which is surprisingly steep) and they fit our need across from Bowe perfectly.

Look, I know we want to stockpile talent and getting rid of picks hurts, but even the best GMs bat .500 on a good day. If you could trade a 2nd rounder for a guy like Harvin or a 3rd for Maclin, you're getting exactly what you're asking for - young talent.

Or you could keep them and get young...something. Maybe it's young talent, maybe it's young roster fodder. It's almost certainly not going to be better than Harvin and the odds suggest it not being better than Maclin.

Harvin has major head concerns.

Migrane AND crazy
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Harvin also choke slammed a coach in college.
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Maybe he will, maybe he won't. We don't know what his knee will bounce back as and he was playing pretty poorly before the injury.

Bring in an established C and then if Hudson comes back healthy, he can play G, where we know he's familiar. At that point you have some versatility if the C gets hurt or loses effectiveness.

If you just bring in a veteran G and Hudson struggles again or doesn't recover from his knee injury that well, you're up shits creek. For the sake of versatility and as a CYA maneuver, I think the interior lineman has to be capable of playing C.

Harvin's a ****ball and Maclin, IMO, is nothing special.

There's no ****ing way I'd give up the #34 or the #77 for either. Maybe the 4th rounder (somewhere around #110, after the compensatory picks) for Maclin but even then, that pick could provide depth on the interior line or a starting ILB.

Either way, I'm not a fan.

Maclin may be available in free agency. He is not worth the franchise tag.

And even when he was a disgruntled asshole, he was putting up MVP numbers in Minn.

I'm tired of worrying about choir boys. Talent wins in this league and Harvin's as talented as all but maybe 6-8 WRs in the league. People said the same shit about Brandon Marshall but when he got his deal and a little age on him, he's matured into one of the most dynamic playmakers out there.

"Hell no, I don't want that stabby malcontent...blah blah blah" - Oops, Marshall's actually a freakin' boss.

Harvin appears to be a guy that plays with a chip on his shoulder and it shows behind closed doors. He is not, however, a Diva on the field or in public. He has enough self control to keep that in-house for the most part (with leaks from within the Vikings organization making it public). That tells me he's not an unhinged guy, but rather someone that's unhappy with his contract situation and that's about it.

Give him his extension and, like Marshall, I think he straightens up and flies right.

The Migraines are a concern, but he does appear to have learned to cope/manage them well.

I just don't see why he's not worth a pick that has a 50% chance of being a bust and a virtual 100% chance of not being a better player than he is.

Maclin's under contract for another year.

Why is Maclin not worth a pick? Well, for one, he put up similar numbers in Philly to that of Steve Breaston (before 2012), with FAR shittier quarterbacks.

Why in the ****ing world would you want to give up a high pick for a guy that gets like 700-900 yards? That's ridiculous.

I agree. I think it would be very wise for us to draft a C with our 4th round pick. I think that Khaled Holmes or Graham Pocic would be a nice insurance policy and both should be there.

Then again, if Barrett Jones is there at 34, it would be extremely difficult to overlook him. That guy is going to be a pro bowler for years.

How confident are you that Stedman Bailey will be more productive than either of those guys over the next 5 years?

They're established, productive, NFL players with their prime years ahead of them and a ton of skill between them. Maclin was Bailey before Bailey (likely better). Harvin was Austin before Austin (definitely better). And they've both made the NFL transition that trips up so many guys.

Eh, to each their own. If I'm investing in a QB at 1.1 this year, I'm going to want an immediate #2 WR and deep threat alongside Bowe. The 2.1 for Harvin or Maclin essentially guarantees that.

I wonder why I thought he was a free agent... Well, I'd rather wait a year than give up a pick for him. Especially in a draft this deep in WR.

he choke slammed a coach in college during practice.

He has fought with every NFL coach he has had.

He has migraine issues, he has had multiple other injuries.

Sorry I will pass.

And FTR I agree with you on choir boys, but this guy is out there
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His skills.

Granted, I'm a Mizzou fan, but do you remember Maclin in college and coming out? He was as electric as anyone out there. Those skills haven't deteriorated. He's still incredibly explosive in and out of his cuts and can get behind most secondaries.

I honestly think his problem in Philly is DeSean Jackson. They have Jackson running the routes that Maclin would be best at and they have Maclin running the patterns that you want someone like Bowe running. I think Maclin alongside Bowe would be one of the best #2 WRs in football and would provide a huge boost to everyone on the offense by spreading the field.

Bailey is not more physically gifted than Maclin - he just isn't. So I see nothing to suggest that Bailey would be better than Maclin at this level other than the unknown which captivates us every draft season.

You wouldn't give a 4th for Harvin?

So, Breaston and Baldwin aren't number 2 threats in Reid's offense? Wiley was fast as **** at The Combines and seems to have decent hands.

The Chiefs, IMO, have far greater needs with their high picks than a ****ing 2nd WR. They need a starter at CB, safety, ILB in addition to depth everywhere. I'd also like to see them take a developmental QB with their compensatory pick or their 4th rounder.

Maclin is a luxury the Chiefs can't afford this year. Plus, again, I don't think he's anything special. And **** Harvin.

I'm with DJ nut. I'd be estatic to get either for a 3rd.

for done reason I thought the whole conversation was about the 2.2 pick.

I would probably give a 4
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I don't care.

The Chiefs have far greater needs at #34 and #77 than to spend it on a receiver opposite Bowe, who I fully expect to be re-signed.

Yeah, my bad. I should have quoted ChefO's

I'm not really a mu fan but I would take Maclin
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There's no way I'd give a 4th rounder for Harvin. First off, his availability is unpredictable. He fights with his head coach and has an attitude. That's the last thing Andy Reid needs in his locker room, especially considering the failure the Chiefs have experienced over the past 4 years and will likely experience in 2013.

Barrett Jones has a lisc franc injury.

And I agree that Jackson runs the routes Maclin should run and he would be a beast beside Bowe
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I can see your side of this too.

If the team REALLY checked him out and gave themselves an out in the contract I would be ok with a 4
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Didn't Harvin miss a PLAYOFF game because of the migraines?

I mean shit man...
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Eh, could be.

I think the Chiefs can survive without Maclin or Harvin - sure. Pretty easily, in fact. But I'm also willing to do whatever possible to make things easier for a new QB.

Baldwin can't be counted on for anything, to be honest. I think Breaston might be a decent 3rd option, but I have a hard time seeing him step up as a #2 at 30 yrs old after never really being that before. Wiley's hands were garbage this year, he's too small and he sure doesn't play to his 40 time from what I've seen. Maybe he could be a slot option, but I'm inclined to not put too much stock into it.

I want to see the new QB and Reid's new attack approach succeed and I think a way to really give them the best shot is an establish young veteran WR.

Here we go with the Breaston debate again.

He's just fine as a #2. He proved that in 2011.

If we get Harvin he needs to play in the slot anyway.

That sounds like enough money to lure Brett Favre out of retirement.

LOL @ the Raitards

Seymour will most definitely be gone. Raiders are gutting the roster and rebuilding it. No one will even recognize the guys on the team in a couple of years. Go ahead and sign him. He'll be too hurt to practice, but he'll suddenly recover in time for game day. Then, he'll make a play once every blue moon when he feels like it.

Not only a potato chip player(hurt all the time) but a 'drama queen' as well. NO thx !!

The draft this year is deep for good WR talent so screw Harvin and Jennings.

Yep. Bellichek saw this coming years ago and raped you for it.:thumb:

yea but on paper there isnt going to be a WR that comes close to the numbers of Harvin or Jennings

Baldwin needs to be given a chance and truly be developed by some serious good WR coaching. I mean how do you get better with Cassel/Quinn and no offensive coaching worth a shit.

Reid will tell Wiley, "Son you have talent but your a pussy and need to "sack up" and stay healthy and find a pair hands if you are going to be on my team".

Both Harvin and Jennings get hurt waaaaaaay too much for my liking and now it is apparent Harvin has an attitude. Both are talented as hell I'll give you that BUT....

The Chiefs already have a #2 with equal numbers to Harvin: Steve Breaston.

**** Harvin.