Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8347695)

Maybe, but probably not. If Pioli is exposed as a fraud (and he will be), the list of Belichick disciples w/ carte blanche authority will be whittled down. Further, as Tom Brady starts to decline, people will realize that the Patriots way is bullshit and not be all that impressed by this guys track record of proven failure.

In 5 years, the Belichick tree will be a dried out shrub and if this guy were still languishing as a QB coach somewhere, he'd get little more than cursory interviews while the next big thing moves up in the world.

Give me a list of guys that flamed out as OCs with 2 different teams, spent a couple years demoted and then were promoted back to be successful OCs elsewhere.

He'd be a complete ****wit to turn down million dollar raise on the off chance that he can get another OC interview in 3 years.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8347703)

Not true.

Evidently he's in such high demand that he'd be capable of pissing on a million bucks, taking a QB coach gig and biding his time until the next GM comes banging on his door.

With a track record like his, he can afford to be choosy. We should all consider ourselves fortunate that he chose the Chiefs, who only coincidentally have the one GM in football that sees "coached Matt Cassel to mediocrity under Bill Belichick" as the most important line on your resume.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8347632)

I don't doubt Crennel made this hire, he knows him as well if not better than Pioli.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8347710)

the question now becomes which turd is shinier: Matt Moore or Chad Henne

because we are getting one of them to come in and "compete" (I use this term loosely) with Mark Castle

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8347696)

I never said I was optimistic.

I just don't agree with the reasons that people are pessimistic.

At the end of the day, I'm pretty apathetic about it.

I guess after being a fan for 40 years of suck, I just can't get too worked up one way or the other.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8347709)

Jimmy Raye, Chris Palmer, Kevin Gilbride.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8347626)

Talent trumps all, or in some cases, lack of talent.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8347716)

I don't see why, just because of Daboll? He was there one year. I don't know if either of those is "his guy" that he'd go to bat for.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8347622)

I just couldn't be more disappointed by this...if only because it's just so transparent.

Pioli got another stooge - period. All this crap from folks that are trying to say "Well you can't prove that he sucks" is just backwards logic. I shouldn't have to prove that the hire sucks, you should have to prove that it's good. This is an NFL coordinator's job, for ****'s sake. This isn't some High School assistant coach's gig - but one of 32 guys that coordinate offenses at this level. Presumably one of the 32 best in the entire ****ing world at running an offense.

What we've seen is that the results this guy has provided are, at best, substandard. More accurately - they're horrid. And sure, he's had some bad situations, but you're still just providing me with more excuses there. It's just more "Matt Cassel needs more time" bullshit. I don't need to see a bunch of reasons why he might not be awful; I need to see some explanations as to why he might be good. So far the best I have is "well he scored some points with a mediocre QB and made Reggie Bush look good". Folks - Reggie Bush is insanely talented, he just couldn't stay on the field. Figuring out a way to make someone with Bush's speed and athleticism doesn't impress me.

No, this hire isn't a good one. In fact, it's a bad one because it was made for the wrong reasons. Scott Pioli didn't look for someone that could come in here and score the most points given the freedom to choose his own QB and run his own system. No, Scott Pioli hired what he perceives to be the best available option to make Matt Cassel look better.

And frankly, I don't give a large rat's ass who Scott Pioli perceives to be the best available coach for any situation. All he seems capable of doing is hiring guys that Bill Belichick hired first and hoping they suck slightly less than the last BB castoff.

I've simply lost interest in this team. The way it's being run, the reasons decisions are made - all of it. There just isn't a single thing about this franchise that makes it fun to root for. They're a black-hat franchise that also happens to get mediocre results. They're not even loveable losers - it's just a bunch of transparent egomaniacs that are more interested in being right than being successful.

Like I said - it's just incredibly disappointing.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8347713)

I hesitate to enter into a long-term dispute, Mr. Messier, but there is no way on God's green Earth that Dr. Evil is allowing Crennel to make arbitrary, autonomous decisions like this. Pioli will reserve veto power on all his hires and Crennel, for that matter, will run to Pioli to gain his approval on every move.

In times like these, it's best to face facts. Regardless of the pain involved.

FAX

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8347719)

This is this dumbshit's way of saying he supports the Daboll hire.

This dumbshit is too dickless to take a position that might be unpopular so he prefers to hedge his statement.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8347720)

You could also point to a guy like Jimmy Raye as proof that this guy really has nothing to lose.

Raye failed 3 separate times and still got a 4th crack in SF.

Daboll has nothing to lose here. He's an cronyism hire as it is, so it's not as though his success or failure will make a difference for later cronyism hires.

He took the job because it offered him more money than he'd make in 10 years as a QB coach. If he can limp along for even 2 years, he'd have made as much money in 2 years doing that as he would 10 years as ass't. And ultimately, if he sucks at it, he'll always have folks that are willing to say "Well hey! Look at the shitty QB he had in KC. People kept hiring him as an OC, so he must be decent..." Having no success at his first 2 stops didn't keep him from getting a 3rd, and having no success at his first 3 stops didn't keep Jimmy Raye from getting a 4th.

He'd have been an idiot to turn this job down.