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Mr. Kotter 11-21-2012 11:03 AM

I nominate this thread for the HOF...the Cracker Division

J Diddy 11-21-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 9139164)
What do you think, Casper?

Reported via pm to Bob Dole.

Has yet to answer. Will try again in a few.

listopencil 11-21-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9139181)
That's not what I was referring to either. Many Hispanics are white. Some are mixed race. The word simply means a relationship to Spain or the Iberian peninsula. So it means a historic and cultural relationship to Spain or Hispania. It has nothing to do with race.


Actually, yes it does. The term "race" means nothing other than "group."

Inspector 11-21-2012 11:30 AM

I admit to slurs when I drink too much whiskey.

Or after having a mild stroke.

BucEyedPea 11-21-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9139299)
Actually, yes it does. The term "race" means nothing other than "group."

Grouped according to what though? Generally when race is used it is referring to genetics/biology for grouping by physical traits to categorize subdivisions of mankind, or include such characteristics. Hispanic still refers to cultural and historical connect to Spain/Hispania. Many of them are white.

I think definition #3 under noun applies to this context. The others #4 and #5 use another context but I've rarely seen the Dutch referred to as a race. That seems to be used metaphorically, like "human race." I've always used it in an anthro context because that's where I first studied it.

However, I don't see that its meaning means "group" literally. It's origins stems from the Italian "razza" meaning of obscure origin. Another seems to be from "root" but the context on that page is different.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race
Anthropology
a.
any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.
an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.
a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
All races of humans belong to the same species.

Bowser 11-21-2012 12:10 PM

See, these types of butthurt filled threads usually just show up during the offseason. That means you pissants are doing nothing but completely ****ing up my equilibrium.

listopencil 11-21-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9139396)
Grouped according to what though?

Yes, that's the problem exactly. In the past this isolation of groups was more pronounced. Physical and cultural differences were obvious. Enough so that those differences were presumed to represent more profound and fundamental differences in humans that simply never existed. Anthropology has shown that any human can absorb any culture. Biology has shown that those physical traits can be passed on genetically in any pairing. Take a look at The Reverend Martin Luther King, JR. Now take a look at Eleanor Roosevelt. They belong to the same "race." Their physical differences are greatly outweighed by their cultural similarities. That's what I mean when I say that the term has no meaning.

BucEyedPea 11-21-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9139801)
Yes, that's the problem exactly. In the past this isolation of groups was more pronounced. Physical and cultural differences were obvious. Enough so that those differences were presumed to represent more profound and fundamental differences in humans that simply never existed. Anthropology has shown that any human can absorb any culture. Biology has shown that those physical traits can be passed on genetically in any pairing. Take a look at The Reverend Martin Luther King, JR. Now take a look at Eleanor Roosevelt. They belong to the same "race." Their physical differences are greatly outweighed by their cultural similarities. That's what I mean when I say that the term has no meaning.

Oh, I thought you meant it meant just "group."

I don't think it has no meaning though. I realize that some make this claim. Yeah, we're all the same species but there are still broad traits from Asians, Blacks and whites. I just think it's been expanded to include more than three races in terms of physical characteristics. Many hispanics share white European physical traits. I think what can be said is that there is no such thing technically as the human race. That's using it metaphorically rather than scientifically.

listopencil 11-21-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9139813)
Oh, I thought you meant it meant just "group."

I don't think it has no meaning though. I just think it's been expanded to include more than three races in terms of physical characteristics. I think what can be said is that there is no such thing as technically as the human race. That's using it metaphorically rather than scientifically.

Honestly, I think we need better terms. Ethnicity, nationality, ancestry etc. carry meaning where race does not. The old concept of "race" has been shown to be invalid.

|Zach| 11-21-2012 03:17 PM

This is fun times.

Phobia 11-21-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 9139824)
This is fun times.

I'm baffled and disappointed that I hung in there as long as I did. I feel like I'm being trolled for every single one of these things and it's magnified x1000 being in D.C.

go bo 11-21-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9140667)
I'm baffled and disappointed that I hung in there as long as I did. I feel like I'm being trolled for every single one of these things and it's magnified x1000 being in D.C.

x1000?

it gets worse...

seriously, thanks for your efforts, some people may have benefited from the discussion even if it doesn't seem like it...

come on back anytime!!! :thumb: (ok, that's a joke ;) )

WoodDraw 11-22-2012 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9140667)
I'm baffled and disappointed that I hung in there as long as I did. I feel like I'm being trolled for every single one of these things and it's magnified x1000 being in D.C.

It's best to look at DC as entertainment and the people as characters.

go bo 11-22-2012 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 9140842)
It's best to look at DC as entertainment and the people as characters.

characters?

now there's an understatement! :)

D2112 11-22-2012 03:23 AM

I have reported the OP for inappropriate language also. shame on you, Flopnuts.

BTW, this board has become a ****ing joke


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