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planetdoc 04-27-2014 09:12 AM

kansas city star mock draft
 
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23. Kansas City Chiefs

OLB Dee Ford, Auburn

Natural 3-4 pass-rusher who can help Houston and Hali.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2014 09:27 AM

They finally get it...

In58men 04-27-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10588351)
They finally get it...

Pass rush isn't a priority.


We have Bowe, Avery and Hemmingway. Let's not forget Dressler too. Our WR corps are god awful. We should be eyeing a WR this entire time with our first pick.

Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10588390)
Pass rush isn't a priority.


We have Bowe, Avery and Hemmingway. Let's not forget Dressler too. Our WR corps are god awful. We should be eyeing a WR this entire time with our first pick.

Wide receivers improve significantly in their second year in Reids system, and our offense wasn't the problem towards the end of the season...

See: 2013 Colts vs Chiefs Playoff Game

Coochie liquor 04-27-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10588390)
Pass rush isn't a priority.


We have Bowe, Avery and Hemmingway. Let's not forget Dressler too. Our WR corps are god awful. We should be eyeing a WR this entire time with our first pick.

Pass rush is a MAJOR priority!! Pass rush helps our secondary. We need it badly!!

Chief Roundup 04-27-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10588390)
Pass rush isn't a priority.


We have Bowe, Avery and Hemmingway. Let's not forget Dressler too. Our WR corps are god awful. We should be eyeing a WR this entire time with our first pick.

Don't forget Jenkins and Williams.....Either way that crew did better than our pass rush did the second half of the season and in the playoff game.

Prison Bitch 04-27-2014 11:20 AM

Hali was totally spent the second half of the season and a total nonfactor. He's also getting nicked up a bit. He's got some serious wear on the tread. I'd let him go after this year so yes, I agree: go with pass rush.

In58men 04-27-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10588530)
Don't forget Jenkins and Williams.....Either way that crew did better than our pass rush did the second half of the season and in the playoff game.

Blame Bob Sutton. He totally played conservative against Indy. Sutton is the reason why we failed. If Alex Smith had more weapons we could have put up more points in the 2nd half. We can give Sutton all the help in the world, but can he utilize his players?

Chief Roundup 04-27-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10588564)
Blame Bob Sutton. He totally played conservative against Indy. Sutton is the reason why we failed. If Alex Smith had more weapons we could have put up more points in the 2nd half. We can give Sutton all the help in the world, but can he utilize his players?

I do blame Bob Sutton to a large degree. There are obvious issues aside from Sutton though. We could not get much pressure at all once Houston and Hali got injured which exposed our secondary. We need a pass rusher much worse than WR. Any offense takes longer to gel and work better. The offense should improve some just because of that. It also takes a WR a couple of years to impact the game as much as most other positions.
We also have to replace Hali and have leverage against Houston. Dee Ford accomplishes all of those things.

In58men 04-27-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10588592)
I do blame Bob Sutton to a large degree. There are obvious issues aside from Sutton though. We could not get much pressure at all once Houston and Hali got injured which exposed our secondary. We need a pass rusher much worse than WR. Any offense takes longer to gel and work better. The offense should improve some just because of that. It also takes a WR a couple of years to impact the game as much as most other positions.
We also have to replace Hali and have leverage against Houston. Dee Ford accomplishes all of those things.

I don't see any flashes in Dee Ford, in my opinion I think he lacks burst. He seems to hit the QB after the ball is already thrown. I don't like the Dee Ford pick.

kccrow 04-27-2014 03:00 PM

I don't like Dee Ford. One trick pony and that one trick isn't even amazing.

I'd much rather Ealy (if there), Lawrence, Attaouchu, Bradford or Reilly if they go for a 3-4 OLB at 23.

OldSchool 04-27-2014 03:01 PM

Really? Trevor Reilly at 23?

kccrow 04-27-2014 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10589177)
Really? Trevor Reilly at 23?

Not ideally, just rather him over Ford. I really don't like Ford.

CoMoChief 04-27-2014 08:16 PM

This FO is ****ing dumb if they draft an OLB with the first pick, and we're not trading Hali or Houston, it's not a priority and the 1st rd pick MUST start from day 1...not be a situational pass rusher.

Saccopoo 04-27-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10589177)
Really? Trevor Reilly at 23?

Originally signed with Texas Tech. Eventually ended up at Utah at strong safety. Has played SS, ILB, OLB, DE and DT during the course of his career. Tough as nails. Played the entire 2012 season on a blown ACL. Very instinctive and plays through the whistle. Good array of pass rushing moves and excels dropping into coverage.

Big, long frame (6'5", 245 lb.). Athletic (4.66 40, 34" vert, 9'9" broad)

Married, two kids. Team captain.

The problem with Reilly is that he does have the ACL history and will be a 26 year old rookie. The guy will leave it all on the field and can play all four LB positions in a 34 as a three/four down guy. I don't think I'd spend a first rounder on him. If he was there in the third, it would be an easy pick. I like Van Noy a little better, but both are incredibly similar players that would fit extremely well into this defense.

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Mr_Tomahawk 04-27-2014 09:48 PM

Sac pimping a player from Utah.

Shocking.

Chief Roundup 04-28-2014 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10589174)
I don't like Dee Ford. One trick pony and that one trick isn't even amazing.

I'd much rather Ealy (if there), Lawrence, Attaouchu, Bradford or Reilly if they go for a 3-4 OLB at 23.

It would be extremely stupid to take Reilly at 23 or anywhere about the 3rd or 4th round. Dude has ACL issues and is 26 years old. He may only have a 4 to 5 year window to even play in the league. One injury and he will miss an entire season. His value is very low.

kccrow 04-28-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10590229)
It would be extremely stupid to take Reilly at 23 or anywhere about the 3rd or 4th round. Dude has ACL issues and is 26 years old. He may only have a 4 to 5 year window to even play in the league. One injury and he will miss an entire season. His value is very low.

I've never heard of "ACL issues" before, so not sure what to think about that. Either he has torn his ACL or he hasn't, and if he has then he has either recovered from it or he hasn't. Not much else about it. He had a scope done to remove scar tissue a year later, which is very normal. Not worried about it.

After that, I'm not sure I care much about the 26 deal. Most NFL players don't make it more than 4 to 5 years in the league anyhow.

To top it off, that's how badly I don't want Dee Ford's overrated ass on this football team. I'd actually consider a 26 year old that has torn his ACL before over Ford at 23.

planetdoc 04-28-2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10589934)
Sac pimping a player from Utah.

Shocking.

I would appreciate it if someone could fill me in on why that is. I asked him in another thread, and he didnt adequately respond.

kccrow 04-28-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10591566)
I would appreciate it if someone could fill me in on why that is. I asked him in another thread, and he didnt adequately respond.

Utah is an NFL talent producing powerhouse.

planetdoc 04-28-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10591573)
Utah is an NFL talent producing powerhouse.

I'm not sure if that is sarcasm

according to ESPN they have 23 players in the NFL.

That is good, but nothing compared to some other schools such as USC, alabama, miami, ohio state, LSU...among others.

Saccopoo 04-28-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10591566)
I would appreciate it if someone could fill me in on why that is. I asked him in another thread, and he didnt adequately respond.

I'm sure I adequately responded.

The real reason is that idiots around here think I have some allegience to Utah, which isn't the case since I actually matriculated at the University of Kansas, but irregardless, they constantly throw out the "homer" tag.

Like I said, the Utah schools have recently been putting out good prospective talent in aggreiate and I see a lot of it due to my interest in the college game as it translates to the professional ranks. Since I live in SLC I'm more in tune with this particular region than others I suppose.

planetdoc 04-28-2014 07:08 PM

thanks for clarifying

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10591605)
I'm sure I adequately responded.

I only saw your pre-edited earlier post.

kccrow 04-28-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10591592)
I'm not sure if that is sarcasm

according to ESPN they have 23 players in the NFL.

That is good, but nothing compared to some other schools such as USC, alabama, miami, ohio state, LSU...among others.

LOL. It was most definitely sarcasm. However, they do produce some solid talent, just not in droves.

Bewbies 04-28-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10589934)
Sac pimping a player from Utah.

Shocking.

Imagine a world where the top LT in the draft played at Utah. His head would explode.

Sorter 04-28-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10591566)
I would appreciate it if someone could fill me in on why that is. I asked him in another thread, and he didnt adequately respond.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10591573)
Utah is an NFL talent producing powerhouse.

ROFL

Saccopoo 04-29-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 10591848)
Imagine a world where the top LT in the draft played at Utah. His head would explode.

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Chief Roundup 04-29-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10591484)
I've never heard of "ACL issues" before, so not sure what to think about that.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profil...lly?id=2543676

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Played the 2012 season on a torn right ACL and meniscus
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Wore a brace on his right knee and plant strength did not appear at full strength. Had arthroscopic surgery on the knee following the season and will require closer medical evaluation.

Bewbies 04-29-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10592591)

Glad to see you survived.

Saccopoo 04-29-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 10594237)
Glad to see you survived.

Not only survived, but flourished.

Chiefshrink 04-29-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 10588400)
Pass rush is a MAJOR priority!! Pass rush helps our secondary. We need it badly!!

Yep ! See Seattle:thumb: Thomas and Sherman for as good as they are wouldn't be all world if that pass rush weren't there.:thumb:

Saccopoo 04-29-2014 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10594646)
Yep ! See Seattle:thumb: Thomas and Sherman for as good as they are wouldn't be all world if that pass rush weren't there.:thumb:

Anybody ever consider that it might have been more scheme oriented versus just having a lot of dudes who kick major ass in rushing the passer?

I mean, when a guy like Cliff Avril looks all-world as a pass rush specialist, you really think that it's because of Cliff Avril's super pass rush talent versus the defensive scheme?

Hmmm?

milkman 04-30-2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10594646)
Yep ! See Seattle:thumb: Thomas and Sherman for as good as they are wouldn't be all world if that pass rush weren't there.:thumb:

Clue, Lucy.

You don't have one.

TEX 04-30-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10588390)
Pass rush isn't a priority.


We have Bowe, Avery and Hemmingway. Let's not forget Dressler too. Our WR corps are god awful. We should be eyeing a WR this entire time with our first pick.


True and that was even the case BEFORE they made new holes during free agency.

MahiMike 05-02-2014 10:58 AM

I'd be pissed. We have 1 pick in top 2 rounds. We need a playmaker.


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