CP $100 Fantasy Football League (Update to other thread with rules in thread starter)
 

Alright guys, here is a new thread for the CP $100 Fantasy Football League. The settings are listed below.


Buy-In will be $100 and will be due 1 week before the draft. Please get your payments in earlier than that though, so we can have the draft order generated. I will not have draft order generated before everyone has paid. We will be using Paypal for payments. I have sent payment instructions out to everyone, so please start getting this paid. If you need the instructions again, please let me know.


As soon as everyone has paid, we will have a draft order generated by using a random order generator online (we used one of these last year, and it worked great). Everyone's emails are entered into the system, and everyone receives the email with the draft order direct from the website, so it is fair to everyone.

I will allow the trading of draft picks as well, and ESPN is set up for such.

Now, please send me some entry fees, and let's get this going.

2011 Final Standings

League Champions: doomy3 - $650

2nd Place: NW Chiefs Fan - $400

3rd Place: Utah Ute - $150


2012 Final Standings

League Champions: Beating for 2 - Wutamess ($650)

2nd Place: Suck Mike Ditka - pkane ($400)

3rd Place: Team Fubar - shorman ($150)


Payouts:

$650 first
$400 second
$150 third


Site: ESPN
Draft: Online, Thursday September 1 at 8:00 Central Time

Rosters:

POSITION STARTERS MAXIMUM
(QB) 1 4
(RB) 2 8
(RB/WR) 1 N/A
(WR) 2 8
(TE) 1 3
(D/ST) 1 3
Place Kicker (K) 1 3
Head Coach (HC) 1 No Limit
Bench (BE) 6 N/A


Scoring:

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alright, count me in...the scoring is good enough where I will suck it up and not complain about it being a 1 QB league.

A fantasy coach?

JFC.

Sweet! All sounds good to me. I do have one question...what site are we going to be using for this?

A fantasy coach? ROFL

I've never seen that in ANY fantasy league I've seen. I've seen as far as a single defensive player, which is somewhat common, but a coach? hmmm, dunno about that one.

Nzoner was talking about it...

It's just like predicting who's going to win one week and getting 5 points...oh well. I'm neither for or against it...seems basically irrelevant.

Interested pending answers to these questions:

1) Is it a max of 8 combined RB's and WR's?
2) 17 rounds of drafting, right? 11 starters, 6 bench
3) You've got some strange point calcs in here (40+ yd td pass), etc. Is that programmable in the software or a manual deal?
4) What's you I/R rule (if any)?
5) When is playoffs and how many make it in?

Thanks

Agreed, WTF?

1) No, it is a max of 8 RBs and a max of 8 WRs
2) Yes
3) Yes, that is a setting in ESPN, so it automatically calculates this
5) No IR
6) 4 teams make the playoffs. Playoffs start week 13. There are 2 rounds of playoffs, each lasting 2 weeks. So, first round is weeks 13 and 14 and the second round is weeks 15 and 16. Nothing in week 17.

It was just something that nzoner brought up in our other thread and some people thought it was a cool twist. Really don't understand what the big deal is about it. We're talking about 5 points a week max just to decide who is going to win one game. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me either way.

lets assume we get 12 teams...

12 teams = $1200 prize pool

payouts should be like this (IMO):

League Champ: $600
Runner-up: $300

1st place (all 16 weeks) in total points scored: $300

or

League Champ: $400
Runner-up: $200
3rd place: $100

1st in points (16): $300
2nd in points (16): $200

Rules look like fun for the most part. I have no problem with a fantasy coach, in fact I like the idea. The kicker rules look pretty brutal, though. Kickers don't score much to begin with. I'm thinking about this one...

One thought on the payouts: Option 2 looks a little better, but probably needs the "points" categories shaved a little and put into the "League Champ" payout. I'm of the belief that no combination of events should result in anybody getting paid more than the champ.

I just kind of disagree...

since the majority of the time the league champion isn't the best team...

I think the team with the most points...the most consistent team...the BEST team...should be rewarded as such...and if they happen to win the league and the points...they get a GREAT payout like they deserve

I'd like to join if possible.

Only thing I question is only 4 playoff teams. If the league expands to 12 I vote 6 playoff teams.

I'm never for more playoff teams in a FFL league (too much luck) unless a good chunk of the final payout goes to 1st and 2nd in overall points scored.

ESPN doesn't even allow for a 6 team playoff. I'll add you in the thread starter.

I say payout goes to 1-4 slots...
Nix the highest point total payout.

The Chiefs didn't get shit for scoring the most points in the league when Indy kicked our asses at home.

I say top 3 gets paid out and nothing for top points scored as well.


1st = $600
2nd = $400
3rd = $200

Yes they do. I have it set that way in both of the leagues I run.

7 points for a receiving TD?

I'm with truebig on this one 4 is not enough for a 12 person league imo

Well technically it'll always be at least 7 pts because of the point per reception.

I'm not saying I don't like the 4 teams making the playoffs, just simply that ESPN does support 6 teams.

Now, I hate the length bonuses for TD's and question 7 for a receiving TD rather than 6, but no issues at all with 4 teams in the playoffs.

OK, so now it's 8 :)

8 doesn't make sense.

For some reason, there is not any option to change this to any more than 4 teams in the playoffs in this ESPN league. It is a drop down box with 4 being the highest option. It goes "no playoffs, 2 teams, 4 teams."

And the 7 point receiving TDs was an error. I'll change that to 6.

Possibly because of the 2 weeks per matchup in the playoffs. I like that though. It lessens the possibility of a team just getting lucky in one week.

No, it only allowed for 4 when I only had playoffs set to one week apiece. Not sure why.

good point thats fine with me.

Our local $150 league has done this for years,however,we are required to carry 2 in a 12 man league so it's not like there's an abundance of good coaches on the WW,so we have found that it makes our live draft a little more interesting.5 pts for a win doesn't sound like a lot but we also use the decimal system for our offensive players so more than once picking a winning coach has come into play in final scores.

ok, I'm in. I'm sure there will be some more "massaging" of the rules but I basically like it. When setting the draft date, I'll be on a remote island from Sept 3rd thru 10th. so please take that into consideration...;)

FFL is all about scoring points, moron

I'm only doing this league if there is a payout for points scored...

I don't do lottery FFL leagues where the dominant team for the entire season can have one slip-up in the postseason and be ****ed...

if there are no BYES...then there HAS to be a payout for total points

In a roto league, yes. In a head to head league, winning is what matters.

3 more open spots...

3 or 4? See two posts above yours

At least 3... I'm 50/50 on the payout right now. I am open either way, but kind of feel like their should be a payout for regular season winner as well.

PM sent

Just get rid of Meat... I feel he's going to bitch the entire season.

No offense Meat, but this is supposed to be a men's friendly competition not a bitch fest of who can come up with the most non-traditional methods to keep things creative. I'm not paying $100 for a head to head competition just to get a smaller payout at the expense of a fuggin high scorer when I beat (or didn't beat) his ass during the season.

WTF cares if you scored the most points all year but didn't do it when it really counted?

Either confirm and stfu or I can go elsewhere. Doesn't really matter. You're that ONE GUY! THAT GUY!

Payout should probably be 1-4 with 4 basically getting his $ back.

hey just because you started playing fantasy football a year ago doesn't mean the rest of us don't want a REAL league...

THIS IS REAL SIMPLE DUMBASS (and I mean that in a nice way...you really are a dumbass)...

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REAL NFL WHEN YOU GET THE #1 SEED?

You get a BYE. You get homefield advantage...

so lets not try and compare FFL to REAL football like you did previously...

if I go 12-0 and score 200 more points than someone...

I deserve some of the $$$

I deserve some sort of advantage...

INSTEAD

in traditional, playoffs only payout leagues...

as soon as the 4 playoff teams are set...

everyone is on level ground

no byes

no homefield advantage

so I don't get SHIT for being SUPER DOMINANT and building an amazing team...

other than having to duke it out on level ground with maybe 2 7-6 teams and a 10-2 team...

so **** off buddy

it's ONLY FAIR IN FFL TO PAYOUT FOR POINTS...

so don't ****ing talk shit to me about FFL when you're CLEARLY a ****ing n00b...

can't wait for your idiotic rebuttal (since you clearly won't and cannot have one)...

Here then, I'll help him.......**** You, Dickhead*


*(just making a joke, don't take it personally)

I think the 2 week matchups in the playoffs eliminate the "luck" thing to some measure. The #1 seed still plays in the divisional round.

:spock: :facepalm:

Been in'em since '97 won a shitload as well as 3 money leagues in the last 4 years.

In our league ($150 buy in).....there are two divisions of 6 teams. The division winners get a 1st round bye in the playoffs. We don't have a highest points award though.

Which is why I wish more guys were willing to play in Roto leagues.

They don't because they know they'd get their asses handed to them.

The whole point of FF is to build the best team.

There are too many flukes on a weekly basis.

We're discussing this in my biggest money league. The last 4 years, the highest scoring team for the season missed the playoffs.

Do you have any good links about Roto leagues?

Not yet. Our Commish is looking into it now. I'm going to do some research on it tonight.

Let's get the rules set in stone, start getting money in, and knock all the drama BS off. If this keeps up I'm out also.

The rules are set in stone. The only thing that isn't set is the payout structure, and I figured that we could vote on that once the league fills up. We have plenty of time, man.

I have no problem with that. I was more referring to the scoring system.

I play in a offline Roto league and it is my favorite. If there was an online version on CP I would be most likley down for that.

Although he is a freakin drama queen... Meat did have a point though... Why aren't there 6 teams with top seeds from each division getting 1st round bye's?

I never liked the espn 2 week per playoff matchup deal.
It should be who's hot at the moment and did their homework to know that Manning & co will pack it in early so you have to go with Cassle that week or whatever.
It adds to the excitement.

If we can't get the playoff system the way we want it? Different league?
CBS has a pretty good format even though it is $120 or so... I'd be down for that.
Live draft and we can meet at Buffalo Wild Wings for a draft party. They throw in a shit ton of items to host it for you.

Roto leagues are just as flawed....the best leagues are rotissified h2h like the payout structures I proposed

IMO, the 2 week matchup playoff format is the only way to go as it helps eliminate a fluke knocking out the better team. And as far as divisions go, I am not a fan of that either. If one division is loaded with the 4 best teams, how is it fair to the 4th best team in the league, who doesn't even make the playoffs? That is happening right now in a fantasy baseball league I'm playing in.

The problem with flat out roto is it takes the best part out of ffl....smack talk. Even thr underdog story which is fun too...that's why rotissified h2h is where its at...40 percent of the payout goes to the roto winners...60 goes to the h2h...have the best team and win the league...you get the huge payout you deserve!

So eliminate the divisions....but give the two teams with the best records....week 1 playoff byes.

Overall I pretty much agree with this also. Though I suppose I can see the anguish one might have over scoring the most points throughout the season and then not coming through in the playoffs. Matter of fact I think I was the pts. leader in the league I did last year but came in 3rd in the playoffs and didn't win shit. So I do understand. That being said I'd be okay with the top 4 teams each receiving a payout instead. Or perhaps the 4th team that gets a payout is instead the high pts. leader getting his $ back. I don't, but I'm on bored either way.

This! The 1 week fluke's are a part of the game. It's what happens in the during normal playoffs. No one thought the Jets would advance to the AFC Championship. Every week is a coin toss. Adds to the excitement.

Our playoffs are 2 weeks long per matchup, so unless we start the playoffs 2 weeks earlier than normal, that won't work.

We should prolly vote on the 2 weeks playoff thing... it should be single elim. Streaks/Luck is part of the game.
If this wasn't ESPN, this probably wouldn't even be an issue. It's just stupid for some reason.

That's fine. However, you seem to be the only one with an issue on the 2 week playoff structure. I don't care either way, but it does eliminate flukes.

And, this isn't a standard ESPN setting, this is how I set it up because I prefer 2 week playoffs.

I think I'm the only one "mentioning" it. Other's are basically saying the same thing.

ESPN introduced it. That's why I brought up ESPN. It may not be default but for the last 3 years I've been in an ESPN league like that and playoffs aren't exciting at all when the format is like that. There's nothing like winning and advancing. Not, win and see if you can keep the lead against the same team next week.

I'm not sure where you see that others are basically saying the same thing, but we can have a vote when the league fills if you would like that will address playoff structure and also payouts.

I can see from your responses, that you must not have lost a matchup in the playoffs when you clearly had the better team and had one guy on the other team come out of nowhere and beat you in the playoffs.

Put me down for a 4 team 2 week single elimination playoff. The winners advance and the losers play for 3rd place. I also still vote for only paying out 1-3, no highest scoring team over the yeaer crap. Going with 4 places spreads the winners dough to thin. Besides the 4th team lost it's last 2 games and has nothing to complain about.

Actually, I was the guy that squeaked in the playoffs last year and totally kicked ass to take the $ (LAST SEED). But if I lost I'd be ok with that too.

I'm the studier at the end of the season that does due diligence and get the most out of the Pierre Garcon's that'll play for Reggie Wayne, etc. I felt like I was highly rewarded. So it wasn't really a fluke I kicked ass since my competitive detective skills took over at the end of the season.

This is essentially saying... 6 teams, 3 week playoff with 1st round byes for top 2 teams.

I'll definitely agree to not paying 4th. I would argue that we should look at payouts something like this:

Champion: $600
2nd Place: $400
3rd Place: $100

1st Place Points: $100

No it's not. Not unless you want the playoffs to last 6 weeks. That means playoffs would start week 11. Not happening.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
Nowhere in there did I see 6 week playoffs. So I'm to assume that it means get rid of the 2 week playoff thing which doesn't make sense to begin with. Only reason we're having this discussion is because of ESPN's format.

I don't want to be the THAT GUY either so lets just vote on the playoff system and payout when the time comes. It's cool.

I'd so no 1st place pts and give the $100 to 3rd place.

This or 700 400 100

I don't want to confuse anyone, but the bolded part isn't true. ESPN's standard league has 1 week playoffs. We can do that if people want. I changed it to 2 weeks/matchup in the playoffs because I think it is a more fair way to do it.

And I'd be fine with that too.

Only place I've seen that is through ESPN's ffl format. I may be ignorant to the fact but it's widely done that way through ESPN. Don't know if you have the option on other sites free leagues. You may have changed it but I don't know if any other place(s) even have the option to do so.

I would be fine with that to.

It is an option in Yahoo, CBS, etc. It is a manually changed setting, just like in ESPN. The default setting in ESPN is 1 week playoff matchups.

As I said earlier, I'm OK with either way, I just think 2 weeks gives you a better idea of who the better team really is. It does take some of the "excitement" out though, I'll give you that.

With all due respect Doomy, the idea of hashing things out after the league is full doesn't seem like the worlds best idea. It seems like there are some that may not be in if certain issues aren't addressed.
Hootie with a strong opinon toward points payout
I'm still wondering if the points for long TDs can be asked about as well as the WR/TE position and am against paying points in a H2H league.

The 2-week playoff is NOT ESPNs standard format. Their default in a 12-team league is 3 divisions with Division Winners and 3 wildcards getting in and the top two Division Winners receiving byes in the first round

That's not bad.

Where do you see that default? In the custom league, I don't see anything that resembles that as a playoff structure.

You've brought those things up a few times and no one has said anything, so people can feel free to comment on those as well.

truebigdog doesn't want extra points for long TDs and wants to scrap the WR/TE position as well.