Let's say the Chiefs land 2 2nds. How would you grade these moves back into the 1st?
 

Chiefs trade away Branden Albert for a 2nd rounder, which gives them a pick in the middle of the 2nd.

Chiefs trade down from 1.1 to 1.4 with the Eagles, giving them a 2nd rounder atop the round.

That gives the Chiefs:

1st rounder (1.4)
2a
2b
3a
3b (compensatory -- untradeable)
4
5
6a
6b
7

So let's say an attractive player starts falling in the first, and the Chiefs package some of these picks to make a move. How would you grade it, based on the player?

Poll to come. It will take a few minutes.

Edit: I forgot to mention the Chiefs went with Joeckel or Fisher with the 1st pick.

You are starting wayyyy too many threads.

For the most part they are not bad though. I'd love this scenario. I think it gives us a chance to still grab a tackle at 4 (which i think we'd do at 1 anyway), then grab a safety, WR, and developmental QB with the next three picks.

1.1 to 1.4 only nets you 2.4?

And you end up losing Albert, no QBotF, and a replacement for Albert that won't upgrade the position after getting your first #1 pick in the draft.

Hmmmmmm.... F

Don't like it, need more compensation if they want Geno.

I'd rather stay in the 2nd and draft Arthur Brown and one of the safeties/WR

Yep...a 2nd round pick isn't enough for a potential franchise QB.

Don't trade Albert


**** a peedonk 2nd

Too many what if draft threads. Waste of time and energy. 23 more days and this crap will be over.

Just plan on keeping Albert and drafting Fisher to man RT position. We'll get Tyler Wilson in the 3rd and linebackers in 4,5,6,7

I don't know what you guys want this forum to look like. I honestly don't.

I'm not a big fan of trading back up into the first round this year. I gave unenthusiastic Bs to the Werner and Eifert possibilities and Ds or Fs to all the others.

That's all fair and all, but that's not the trade I'm asking you to grade.

I want you to keep posting threads.

But it is.

You don't get 2nds without trading 1.1 and/or Albert.

It's fail all around because you are hitching your wagon to a shitty QB, who couldn't have been asked to do any less than he was asked of from Harbaugh, who's only completed 25% of the seasons he's started.

Interpret it however you want, I suppose.

Really?

Should we have more threads where CP members are calling each other out? More threads about the Cardinals?

Any thread that is a good topic regarding the Chiefs on a Chiefs board sounds good to me. Call me crazy.

Back to the topic...

I know given his size and Dex he's not necessarily a need for us but if we trade back into the first to get WRs (some others on this list), I'd rather it just be Tavon Austin. I don't care that he's short. He's a special talent.

There's no other way to interpret it.

Franchise QB for S? F.
Franchise QB for WR? F.
Franchise QB for OLB? F.
Franchise QB for DE? F.
Franchise QB for TE? F.

etc...

I suppose it would depend on how good that franchise QB ends up being.

I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A.

But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently.

Not really. Because Alex Smith isn't a franchise QB.

I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF...

"Alex... Please don't **** this up!"

Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen.

More people need to select this option!!! PBJ

I suppose that depends on what you define a franchise QB as being.

The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition.

Not trying to be smart here because I'm just curious. Honest question. How long you going to be bitter over this?

I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team.

Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now.

I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides.

While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened.

Tough question...

I guess I'll be bitter until the last 30 years of Chiefs logic proves the world wrong.

Alex Smith is a huge upgrade over Cassel, thats the bottom line.

:facepalm: My grade for your interpretation is F.

That's ok.

I would expect someone that doesn't understand what happens when you move from 1.1 to 1.4 to have a headache, requiring a face palm.

**** them. It's Chiefs talk and draft talk. I love your threads. Now come give me a big hug.

So from what I'm reading, Chiefsplanet doesn't like trading up. I voted mid to low grades for positions I don't feel we need as much help in. And higher grades for specific players that also fit specific needs. I don't think you trade up for any BPA unless it also fills a hole. WR is a huge hole, so I voted high grades for Patterson, and Allen. I also gave a higher grade for Margus Hunt because I really, really like him, and we need help on the D-Line.

I define a franchise QB as someone who is going to be THE keystone to your franchise's success for the foreseeable future... A guy that's capable of putting the team on his back and willing his way to victories.

That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick.

I'd add to that and say it should also be a player that you had valued considerably higher than you'd be taking him. Otherwise, I'd wait and hope he fell to my regular pick (or to a pick that wouldn't cost as much to trade up for).

He's a Beaker. He just can't stand reading about football.

Hmm I'll chime in finally on this whole debate


I don't know which Alex smith will be showing up to KC from SF


I do know he will have a gigantic chip on his shoulder!

Reminds me a lot of Gannon with us. Not an elite qb does what he needed to do wins games replaced by the elite qb (lol no) Grbac. Goes to raiders with a supposed genious with qbs. Over achieves or was it there all along leads that team to conference championship and eventually super bowl game.

How do we know which Alex smith is coming here shouldn't we at least give him a chance before we pass judgement? For that matter how do we know chase can't be elite maybe he hasn't gotten an opportunity yet.? Payton and Reid are friends maybe Payton said pick up chase he's ready for an opportunity he won't ever get that here with breese.

We just don't know guys now should we still draft a qb I say yes sorry stanzi unless u blew the chiefs away at your interview or evaluation you unfortunately are expendable.

Who is that qb I'm not sure I'm currious bout Tyler Wilson would have been a top first round pick last year. Maybe with some work he can be that eventual franchise qb who knows. I also like the kid from duke late. he will go late cause he went to duke but a lot of similarities to Peyton manning there.

Or Reid and Dorsey could be playing possum all along and draft geno. I don't think this will happen but these guys did draft successors when they still had starting caliber qbs on the roster.

Who knows guys we need to patient before we pass judgement patience is a virtue.

F

:hmmm: what if gaz starts to fall

ROFL ROFL ROFL So damn delusional. Good lord.

It's probably not Geno Smith, either, honestly.

Maybe, maybe not.

That's not the point.

Playing it safe, like the Chiefs have, gets you 19 years of playoff win free football.

Ah, so a franchise QB only needs potential in order to quality to be a franchise QB in your eyes.

This is what I'm having trouble figuring out.

You go from "he needs to be the franchise's guy" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also will his team to victories" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also have the potential will his team to victories."

We could go on and on here, but you're carving a description of franchise QBs so thin in order to somehow discern one Smith from the other, you're starting to pretzel.

translation: There is nothing that can happen except Geno that will stop the bitching.

You are thinking way too much about this.

We KNOW Alex Smith is NOT what everyone on the ****ing planet would consider a "franchise QB."

We do NOT know that about Geno Smith. He is an unknown. If he flops then move on and look for the next possible franchise QB. Don't ****ing trade for a known POS.

Okay. So if Alex Smith unprecedentedly becomes this awesome franchise QB and the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, all the "I don't care, it's not my money, Clark's is the only opinion that matters, just sick back and enjoy the ride" people will I'm sure expect nothing less than the Nuremberg Trials for those who were adamant about drafting a QB this year.

That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true.

That's how this forum works. Get used to it.

No.

The bitching will stop no matter what happens with the Chiefs #1 pick.

There are 3 scenarios:

1) They draft Geno.
2) They draft someone else like Joekel.
3) They trade down and pick up someone like Fisher.

If scenario 1 happens the bitching will stop because I'll feel like this franchise actually cares about winning a SB by ATTEMPTING to fill the QB position with legitimate potential.

If scenario's 2 and 3 happen I'll be less inclined to give a **** about what happens with the Chiefs and be more invested in baseball.

I have to agree w/ Direckshun, at this point, we will only move down if we are willing to recoup the 2nd, and likely no more. Maybe...maybe we can get a mid round next year too. Market just sucks this year.

You might as well get that process started now then.

It's already begun my friend. I've got baseball games lined up on the DVR.

I fully expect the Chiefs to not draft Geno. I've even practically guaranteed it, if I haven't fully guaranteed it.

and I wouldn't move up if this is all we can get, stay put and select best available at 2a,2b,3a,3b

It's the truth. That's the irony of all the people fighting back against the Geno love. They are doing the same thing, and they sure will act the same if it pans out that Geno doesn't work out. Both sides have extreme people that post with arrogance and absolutes. Both sides quote those people and act like the whole group feels this way.

Case and point is the argument that the Geno supporters see him as can't miss. A few may say that, but most just like his upside. The truth, as you pointed out, is both sides are going to have cock suckers no matter which way it ends up. People ask how anyone can talk about Geno being great as an absolute and turn around only to say he won't be great as an absolute. Their is hypocrisy on both sides. The war has probably only started.

This season, no matter how Alex and Geno play, both sides are going to manipulate the situation.

I disagree

My point isn't that most do, it's that most don't. But the few that do have their quotes taken and used as the motto of all people who wanted to draft him. I just didn't explain it very well in that post.

Fair enough.

I mean how many times have you read people saying "the Geno supporters think he is a lock" or "if the Chiefs take a QB but it isn't Geno they will freak". I know from what I have read that most don't feel that way. I know I don't.

Same thing will happen with Alex Smith. A decent amount of this board is on the "I don't love Alex but we will see" boat. I have never liked the guy, but I am not going to throw those guys under the bus if Alex doesn't work out and say "He wasn't the great QB you thought he was". That is going to happen from both sides no matter how this ends up though. That's what SNR was saying, and I agree.

This year yes. I'd be very happy with that. Throw the draft value chart out this year.

This all depends if Albert is playing LT or RT.

FYP