Just for the record: I count 11 LOSSES where Yost left the starting pitcher in with >80 pitches and the starter gave up sufficient runs to cause a loss.

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The above was only starting pitchers and losses so it doesn't include games where the offense overcame Yost's ****ups or when he left relievers in too long or when he left struggling pitchers in under 85 pitches.

The only thing difficult to do is to estimate how many games would have turned out different if the pitching change was made earlier. Half might be too high an estimate, you think?

I think half would be about right.

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Yea, I don't really get why starting pitchers are such pussys now days?

It is a different game. Plus now there's so much money involved, that doesn't help either. You invest tens of millions of dollars in a pitcher and he blows his arm out and it's on your head. Look at Prior and Wood. Or even with the Royals, Gil Meche. Here was a starter who could post a sub-4 ERA in the American League, Hillman blew him out and he was never the same guy again, ever.

Tk13 hits the nail on the head. Apples and oranges. Why compare?

Don't you think that it's possible that he would have hurt himself anyway? Why is it always that if a pitcher pitches high pitch counts that it was that reason? You are either injury prone or not, I don't think it has alot to do with pitch counts as much as ppl lead you to believe.

Maybe it's just perception, but it seems like pitchers have more arm problems in today's game than they did 25/30 years ago?

It's possible, but they way they handled him was was awful. They litterally knew he was injured and let him pitch TWO more times. My memory may be hazy this time at night, let me go find the Rany article about it.

As much as I dislike Yost, it's just incredibly difficult to quantify something like this. What if he had subbed Chen for Crow in the 8th inning today and Crow had blown the game? This would have been a loss that no one would have ever looked back upon again, heck, for all we know, Yost saved the game by putting Chen out there for an ill advised 8th inning.

Its tough to quantify, but yost has a well established deficiency with respect to bullpen management.

I guess it's possible... but the Royals let him throw 130+ pitches one night. Then it all went downhill. There's a pretty clear trail of evidence. He got clobbered a few times. The Royals even suggested the guy had dead arm, and yet they let him go back out there for 115-120 pitches a game a couple more times. He was never the same after that. And then when he got clobbered over and over to start the next year, they still let him throw a ton of pitches. There was one night where he threw 128 pitches. Hillman ran him straight into the ground.