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Clint in Wichita 07-03-2001 10:32 AM

NFBT: Are there people out there who are really this stupid?
Maybe the guy made this site as a gag:

I guess he thinks it's more likely that we were created from dirt and ribs.

Even if "God" did create life on Earth, IMO he created organic molecules and they evolved on their own.

keg in kc 07-03-2001 10:34 AM

Clint, without even reading anything but the title of your thread, my answer will be a vehement "Yes, there are people out there who are this stupid". ;)

Phobia 07-03-2001 10:36 AM


Just because someone believes differently than you doesn't make them an idiot. I'm sure there are plenty of people that think you are a complete idiot.

The sooner you recognize that there are a variety of valid opinions in this world, the sooner you can relax and enjoy life.....

Sorry for the lecture - I admit, sometimes I revert to this type of behavior but it seems like you do it ALL the time.

I hope you are much happier than you seem online, man.

Clint in Wichita 07-03-2001 10:40 AM

My level of happiness is fine...there is, however, a lack of interesting topics due to the offseason. Sure, dissenting opinions are to be expected, but c'mon. This guy's not even close.

Mark M 07-03-2001 11:07 AM

I have no problem with what this guy's trying to do. I can respect that part of it. It's the arguments he uses that make me think that he's a complete moron.

He says all of that stuff has not been "observed." Umm ... okay. Much of it has, but I won't go into details (but if someone else wants to, I'm ready). I'd like to ask this guy to show me where god, Jesus and the rest of the gang have been observed ... show me Jesus' bones ... show me the crucifix on which he hung ... show me a legitmate Shroud of Turin. It has to work both ways, fella.

~~Admires the attempt, but abhors the ignorance.

Kurt Surber 07-03-2001 11:08 AM

Phil, me think he is a complete idiot but I like him anyway!
Sorry Clint, couldn't resist.

old_geezer 07-03-2001 11:17 AM


I'm a creationist. That means I believe the bible's description of how God created the heavens and earth. I do not believe in evolution . Let's rephrase that to I don't believe in macro-evolution (the change of one species to another) but I do agree that there is micro-evolution (change within a species). There are several learned and very intelligent people on both sides of the issue. I can not in good faith call them stupid or idiots just because they choose to believe differently than I do.

I have not taken the time to read this web site in any detail, but I can make a general statement that each side has its own zealots that do a very poor job of outlining their beliefs. You can believe what you want, but please allow me the same opportunity. :cool:

bishop_74 07-03-2001 11:26 AM

Divine intervention is a very touchy thing. I think everyone has their own oppinion, unfortunately, some people try to cram it down your throat with misinformation, or inaccurate assumptions. It's all very unnacceptable to me. Why couldn't God be the one who set evolution in motion, and the big bang? This still wouldn't dispell the notion that BOTH sides are still correct. I think being stubborn is the worst viewpoint you can take. It all fits together somehow, we just don't know how. That is the answer that we are searching for everyday. It's all very interprative if you think about it. God has some very decent moral lessons to teach, hopefully we won't toss those aside when we do find out the truth.

chieffanphil 07-03-2001 06:50 PM

anyone that believes in evolution and thinks that God had nothing to do with us being here should start looking around him and realize that someone greater than us created us and this world . This did not just happen by chance . Look how the human body is made , this was by accident , i don't think so! We should be careful who we call stupid . Mankind wants to think a little to much of ourselfs sometimes . Evolution has never been proven but some people act as if it has . This can be taught in school and cannot be proved . But the Bible cannot be taught and has proved to be true by everyone that has accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour .
You won't find Jesus' bones because he rose on the third day and lives today in heaven and in the hearts of all who have accepted him as saviour .

splatbass 07-03-2001 07:05 PM


I agree with you 100%, but unfortunately you can't use logic and science to argue with "true believers". For example:

"But the Bible cannot be taught and has proved to be true by everyone that has accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour"

Has proved to be true? Huh? So if you believe, then that is proof that it is true! Then agian, a lot of people believe in Bigfoot, aliens and the Loch Ness monster, so they must be true, too...hmmmmmm.

47mack 07-04-2001 04:04 AM


Originally posted by chieffanphil
Evolution has never been proven but some people act as if it has . This can be taught in school and cannot be proved . But the Bible cannot be taught and has proved to be true by everyone that has accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour .
So, in turn, evolution is proven because people believe in the theory?

You contradict yourself.

splatbass 07-04-2001 07:24 AM

I never said evolution has been proven. But the evidence for it is strong enough that most scientists accept it as the most likely scenario. On the other hand, there is no evidence of creation, in fact the evidence contradicts it. According to the Bible, the Earth is only 10,000 years old, yet science shows it to be about 4 billion years old. Quite a discrepancy. By the way, I believe in God, but I don't believe the Bible is infallable. It has been edited by man numerous times in the centuries of its existance. I don't believe the theory of evolution is any threat to God, in fact God could have created evolution as part of his creation of the earth.

47mack 07-04-2001 07:38 AM

I like your theory.

mcan 07-04-2001 08:06 AM

Let's go back a few steps.
1. Science has never PROVEN the earth is billions of years old.
There is alot of evidence to support that it is NOT. However, because of natural disasters and the like, the fossil record is little more than a hypothesis. Scientist may say that most of the midwest was once an ocean, or that all the continants used to be one big continant (pangea). Bible believers say these oceanic fossils are from the great flood. Also, several excavations have found man's footprints congruent with dinosaur remains. The "earth is old" theory puts these two species several million years apart. These are just a few examples. But there is PLENTY of real evidence to suggest the earth is only a dozen or so thousand years old.
2. No examples of even micro evolution have ever been recorded under scientific study. Mutations occur all the time, but never has any mutation been found to HELP the species survive, or make the species any less prone to predators.
3. Darwin himself, while on the islands writing Origin of Species, admited the theory had major wholes in it. Many species have systems of survival so complex, that it would be impossible for the system to evolve piece by piece. Some animals produce toxins that would kill the animal, unless it had every working part already in place.

As for myself, I am a christian. I don't however beleive that God smacked his hands together and all was done. To God, a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand ears. 6 days can be a very long time. I believe we were created, but because we are creatures made of carbon, and water, I choose to beleive that when god spoke, he created us through some natural means. I don't believe we are advanced enough to begin to grasp what those means are, but I am fairly certain that it was not evolution. Origin of Species and theories of the like seem EXTREMELY far fetched and I believe are impossible.

Sorry for the long post.

chieffanphil 07-04-2001 09:10 AM

What i don't understand is why is it so easy for some people to believe that they came from a monkey or some other form or whatever some scientist comes up with and can't prove , but won't believe what the Bible says . Not trying to fight here , just wondering .

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