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ptlyon 07-26-2013 11:32 AM

So now he gives a shit about OTA's?

Got it.

GloryDayz 07-26-2013 11:32 AM

Bad day at the office for all...

BigCatDaddy 07-26-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9835792)
Sued for what?

I don't know about sued, but I bet he lost a nice chunk of that $2 million himself. What's going commission for agents?

Edit: A quick search says about 4% on avg so that's 80K from the agent. Not as much as I thought.

WhawhaWhat 07-26-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9835792)
Sued for what?

He paid for a service from the agent and the agent failed to adequately provide that service resulting in $2 mil damage.

GloryDayz 07-26-2013 12:10 PM

I wish we had such a clause in the Royals owner's deal for home games... I'd love it if that ****er had to show his face at games!

vailpass 07-26-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9835788)
I hope his agent has a good E&O policy because he is going to be sued.

This. He sure as hell ought to be sued.

Rain Man 07-26-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9835900)
This. He sure as hell ought to be sued.

That was my initial reaction, but now I wonder if the contracts that agents sign with players includes some sort of "you are ultimately responsible" clause. If not, I'll bet they will now.

Not that it matters for that agent. I suspect that he'll never get work again.

ptlyon 07-26-2013 12:37 PM

That's the problem. Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore.

CoMoChief 07-26-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9835788)
I hope his agent has a good E&O policy because he is going to be sued.

Exactly what for though?

The agent just says to the courts "of course I told him XYZ...."

jettio 07-26-2013 12:53 PM

You never really know what the course of communication was when the contract was negotitated and signed or when Brown made the decision to stay at home and not attend the off season workouts.

Did he even call or write the agent Overstreet and tell him that he wanted an answer on that decision before he made it?

I doubt there is going to be any lawsuit because there probably are some letters or e-mails from when the contract was signed specifically explaining the bonuses and Brown probably did not even call or write the agent to ask about his decision not to attend workouts.

From Googling his name, looks like Overstreet has a lot of name players and maybe they are satisfied with his representation.

If Brown did not know that 2/3 of his salary depended on 1 bonus, I would not assume that he never got that specific information in a separate writing from the signed contract. Of course, the signed player contract has too many pages, but more than likely he got that inforamtion in a one page summary or e-mail.

vailpass 07-26-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9835942)
That was my initial reaction, but now I wonder if the contracts that agents sign with players includes some sort of "you are ultimately responsible" clause. If not, I'll bet they will now.

Not that it matters for that agent. I suspect that he'll never get work again.

Agreed for the most part, especially the last line. You pay an agent to watch your contract for you. That agent lost commission on$2 million because he didn't do his job.

-King- 07-26-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9835767)
Yeah this. It is his own responsibility and talk about 2 million dollars it would be in his own interest to take note what is in the contract and ask the rep questions or read the damn thing himself.

Not really. Most people wouldn't understand the language the lawyers use in these contracts. That's the point of an agent. To read the contract and interpret it to the player.

If I'm paying someone a certain % of my money to orchestrate contracts and negotiate on my behalf, they better tell me things like this.

DJ's left nut 07-26-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9835728)
I think you have to take responsibility for yourself.

That's not exactly fine print in terms of the contract wording.

Yes the agent should be fired IMO, but I don't feel sorry for the guy as it's his own responsibility to know the basic framework of his contract.

For you and I? Sure.

But if you hire someone to do nothing but monitor your food and make sure there are no peanuts in it, then you get used to knowing that said food montitorer is monitoring your food and as yet you have not gone into shock from eating a peanut.

Then somebody slips in a peanut, he misses it, you go into shock. Why? Because you hired this man for precisely this reason and in the course of your working relationship together, you have ceded that control to him. If he never existed, you'd have seen the peanut, but dammit you weren't looking for it because that's what you pay this idiot for.

That's the role of agents - to literally do all of this. They're business managers, contract handlers and guys that stay on top of their client. Tarell Brown hired this agent and likely paid him 5-10% of his hard earned salary to make damn sure that contract terms, schedules, etc... aren't his problem.

I don't see how it's still incumbent upon Brown to do his agent's work.

View Tarell Brown as a business. View him as the sole owner and product developer. Now view his agent as the CEO and CFO. That's his agents role here - to administer the business. Brown's role is simply to create the product. If the agent forgets to pay taxes and balance the books while Brown is out building the next money-making product for the company, Browns only failure is that he trusted the wrong guy.

To blame Brown for not catching contract terms is silly - he hired this man and paid him a six-figure income precisely so he wouldn't have to worry about that sort of thing.

Now if you're the 49ers, however, you know you have Brown as a pending FA and perhaps you may want to use this as a jumping off point for a potential contract extension. "Sure, Tarell; we'll honor your bonus, but as part of this extension that's a hair under market and structured in a team friendly manner".

ptlyon 07-26-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9836123)
Not really. Most people wouldn't understand the language the lawyers use in these contracts. That's the point of an agent. To read the contract and interpret it to the player.

If I'm paying someone a certain % of my money to orchestrate contracts and negotiate on my behalf, they better tell me things like this.

OTOH, the agent lost money too so I bet it was explained, but he wasn't listening, only seeing dollar signs.

Rasputin 07-26-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9836123)
Not really. Most people wouldn't understand the language the lawyers use in these contracts. That's the point of an agent. To read the contract and interpret it to the player.

If I'm paying someone a certain % of my money to orchestrate contracts and negotiate on my behalf, they better tell me things like this.


All that should be done before he signs on the dotted line. From my understanding how negotiations work is the agent goes back and forth from player to front office and informs both sides what kind of deal needs to get done. He should be telling in detail what is in the contract and the player damn well should be asking questions. No real excuse for the player to not have known about a little detail that he should show up for team practice for 2mil$$. Can blame the agent but it's still his responsibility before he signs the paper what is in it.


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