Pat Kirwan-Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch
Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch
Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com Senior Analyst There has already been some serious business this week. The first pick in the draft is locked up with Jake Long going to Miami. The Jared Allen trade to the Vikings has stirred up the first round and the Chiefs may be much more flexible about trading out of the No. 5 spot. I also believe they are getting a lot of calls about the 17th pick they received in the deal. Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Shockey, Fabian Washington and a few other veterans could also stir up the selection process. Recently, we witnessed a few players admitting to failed drug tests, another player having heart surgery and the last of the pro days reshaping the first day of the draft. As late as Thursday, teams were still flying around the country to get a final peak at candidates. The wild card in the first round is still Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who could go at any number of spots in the opening round. There are varying opinions on Ryan and club executives in search of a quarterback can't waste much time comparing him to quarterbacks of years past. They need to ask themselves the question: If we pass on Ryan is there any guarantee we will get a player of equal or better talent next year? If he upgrades your team, it will be very hard to pass on him this year. Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and at least one other team have a very serious decision to make and it isn't going to be easy. History says the quarterback debate takes center stage in the hours leading up to the draft. Banking on Brian Brohm, Chad Henne or Joe Flacco being there in the second round is risky business. Not to mention, if those clubs believe Ryan is the best prospect than how can they wait? I get the sense that a few of the decision makers on draft day are struggling with medical and/or off-the-field issues and for good reason. There's just too much money involved to take the risk anymore. Now that Long has taken a five-year deal from Miami instead of the traditional six-year deal at the top of the first round, the climate has changed dramatically. A safe pick is going to trump a guy with great talent who may also present a risk. One-year wonders are another concern that seem to be on the mind of personnel directors with little time left before the draft. The Jake Long pick by the Dolphins sends a big message about how clubs look at the draft these days. Be safe and get the guy who has done it over time. He has the Chiefs trading with Patriots and picking QB Matt Ryan at #9 and taking CB Michael Jenkins at #17. |
What an idiot.
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Um those are 2 things the team needs if you haven't noticed..
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I'd just take Gholston in that scenario I think.
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Uh yea, we also need 4 OL, and 2 DL a little bit more. Ever heard the saying championships are won up front. It tends to be pretty true.
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Either way you don't value or devalue position over player 99% of the time. Especially when you are the Chiefs and in this spot they should be valuing players over positions. |
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ROFL Star Players. How stupid can you be, have you ever played or coach football past pee wee or middle school? JW? Last time I check Eli Manning isn't a "star" QB. He can be very good at times, but by no means a star. And what the hell are these "star" athletes going to do when every play there is a big DL or LB in their face 3 yards into the backfield because no one can block for them? Please explain this to me, you obviously know what your talking about. |
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I'll be happy with any of the following: Long, Gholston, Ryan, Ellis, Dorsey, Rivers. My preference is Long or Ryan, but I actually believe that Rivers might end up being the best of the bunch. He might instantly become the Chiefs' Patrick Willis, and this would change the entire complexion of the defense. |
Coming from the guy who wanted Joe Staley over Bowe....means alot...
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You also never answered my question. |
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I don't care how good your line is, if you don't have any stars you aren't gonna win.
You think the Pats or Colts would win without their cornerstone star QB's? Every team has to have core star players that the teams are built around. |
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This is a silly mock draft Ryan isn't going to fall to 9.
I would be very happy with Long, Gholsten, Dorsey, Ellis at #5 and an OL at 17. |
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Eli played like a star during the playoffs so i'd say he became a star this past post season. PhilFree:arrow: |
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I thought only idiots drafted based on need? Mo-ron |
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Who cares what this girl thinks
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Yes, and two of them are linemen. jackfuck ROFL |
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Perhaps....but dont knock Eli for making the plays when he had to. |
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The other guys hey we'll see, Bowe so far yea, DJ is improving and Hali isn't really a cornerstone he's solid. |
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Not a big fan of it. In a draft where all the top prospects have some question marks, I think Ryan has more question marks than Ellis or even one of the tackles still available at #10.
I agree that a franchise quarterback is a key element in building a winning team, I'm just not convinced Ryan is that guy. Having said that, I wouldn't roof test my TV if it happened. |
Like I said in the same thread on the Draft forum, I am a big fan of this mock. No, we don't get the elite OT that everyone is clamoring for, but we get two stud prospects, one at the most important position in football.
That said, all this arguing is probably a waste of time since Atlanta will most likely take Ryan. Adam Shefter reported tonight on NFLN that Matt Ryan is at the top of Atlanta's draft board, and they will take him even if Dorsey is available. He also said Ryan is on the top of more team boards than most would expect. Who knows, maybe it's last second posturing to see if KC trades up, but I think Atlanta will end up with Ryan when it's all said and done. |
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60% completions(yeah that's not great but it ain't bad) and 6to1 TD/INT ratio playing in some awful conditions some of the time and he made the plays when he had to for the Giants to win. PhilFree:arrow: |
ANother thing everyone needs to realize is that even with 13 draft picks, we arnt going to hit on every single one of them.
Id be ecstatic if we nailed 5 or 6 solid long term starters. Even that might be wishful thinking... This is a good 2-3 year rebuild. |
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LOL, do you really think the Browns regret drafting Brady Quinn?
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Having one and potentially two great QBs doesn't sound like a horrible situation to me.
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I'm backing Croyle but I can see the merit in drafting Ryan. The competition between the two could let us see if what we have in Croyle a little fraster and how he performs under pressure. Actually that applies to both he and Ryan. PhilFree:arrow: |
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If Anderson falls flat, then they have Quinn waiting in the wings.... Not a bad situation to be in. |
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I love logic. |
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Did you ever think that just maybe Dorsey, Ellis, Gholston, and Chris Long are better players than a guy who is best suited to play right tackle?? |
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I don't think OL are worth top 5 picks unless they are absolute 100% locks with no flaws. |
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and what if they dont get those this year?? I mentioned earlier they wont get everything they need this year. Thats reality. |
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I want the guys I think will be the best players. |
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It's a "moo" point now anyways, just thought I'd call Mecca on his hypocrisies. |
And what is wrong with Gholston.....
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Consensus bust...
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I just feel like those guys are B+ pros at best. Gholston is the kind of guy who can change an entire game. |
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By saying that I am not knocking any of those guys because I like each one except maybe McFadden. I just feel Jake Long is a little bit better. |
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I realize talking head are just that, but...I still think they have an edge on most all of us. |
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Matt Ryan won't be there at #9.
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