How many years left for our best players?
 

I know we are a very young team overall but the idea of "rebuilding" again that could take 3-4 years scares the shit out of me. I am impatient after 43 years of waiting for a SB appearance and 20 years for a playoff win.

I would hate to have our best players fizzle out in the prime of their careers. These are the only guys I care about at this point as superstars and I didn't include Eric Berry or Justin Houston due to their youth

Any guesstimates?

Brandon Flowers
Derrick Johnson
Tamba Hali
Brandon Albert
Jamaal Charles
Dwayne Bowe
Dustin Colquitt

:hmmm:

I have a feeling our best players are about to start getting drafted.

I've said this before, but we were a very young team when Scooter took over.

We aren't any more. Most of our best players are in their primes or exiting them. There are only 2 guys on this roster that I see has having much room left for growth and the potential to be Pro-Bowl caliber players - Eric Berry and Dontari Poe.

Hali's already out of his prime and DJ's only a year or 2 behind that. Charles probably 3-4, Flowers and Bowe maybe 4-5 (though Flowers will probably start to decline sooner than that).

This isn't a 'young' team anymore. Scott Pioli wasted 4 years of some great players careers.

Five to seven years

This.

I would agree with this as well.

I don't think we have seen the best out of Justin Houston. He gets a good LB coach and the sky is the limmet. We get a young QB like Geno Smith and the team becomes young again even with the older players mentioned. Those guys with Andy Reid will have something to play for. Ray Lewis isn't at his best and they are winning with the QB they picked from the draft.

I didn't realize Tamba and DJ were 29 and 30 respectively. Time flies. I still would say that they both at their prime and barring injury, could maintain for 3-4 yrs before they start dropping off much. Especially with some coaching.

No such thing as rebuilding in today's NFL. Hit on a QB THIS year and they can at least attempt a playoff run.

I love it that the rookie QBs had so much success this year. I have always hated the term "ride the pine" ****ing stupid. You learn how to play, you develop by PLAYING the game.

You don't know what you got untill you find out.

To this point, it appears that Gary Gibbs is remaning on staff as the LB coach.

But I agree that Houston has outstanding potential.

I also agree with DJ's LN overall, otherwise.

Geno's started for three years in two different systems. He designed and called his own plays as a Parade All-American as a junior and senior in high school.

"Riding the pine" with that much experience, especially considering and adding the purported QB coaching capabilities of Andy Reid, would be plain stupid.

Draft Geno, get him inked prior to the draft and get him in the film room ASAP. Have someone slip him the numbers and addresses to Dwayne Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Moeaki and McCluster right ****ing now. "Impromptu" toss arounds. Have him rent the other side of the duplex from Rod Hudson.

Let's get this shit started right ****ing now.

LN?

Yeah, Justin Houston belongs on that list. In terms of age/ability, I think he's at the top of the heap. Maybe Eric Berry also, but Houston is a pro bowl caliber player who is only in his second year. With the right coaching and system, I think he is a 15 sack guy.

Sometimes I just pretend that we took Houston in the first round and Jon Baldwin in the third. Then I'm not as angry anymore.

We really don't have good players. we went 2-14. The "myth" that we have good players because of some weird pro bowl voting kink is still a myth. Our team sucked. Watching those games last night, I was blown away by how far away we are from even competing with them. (We know this already since we went 0-3 vs them this year as it was)

This might be one of the dumbest statements I have read on here in quite some time.

left nut.

DJ' left nut.

in terms of 5 year projection

Houston and Poe definitely project out with the highest potential ceilings. Which is why they should be featured. Houston as the #1 rushbacker, Poe at full snaps on the d-line rushing the passer and stopping the run.

Hali has to take a secondary role. We need to find and draft a young ILBer to groom ASAP in case one of the seasons we come out and DJ looks like he lost a step, which can happen at any time. One day that dude is going to wake up and find out he cant hit holes fast enough or cover the middle zone quick enough, and that's it. We need a guy that can step in, and it certainly is NOT Brandon ****ing Siler.

Flowers, though hobbled by any sort of ankle and shoulder injury can have a nice career in a decent zone scheme that doesnt rely on speed well into his 30s. Think guys like Ronde Barber, Carlos Rogers, etc.

Charles career will be saved/preserved by Reid's new WCO scheme. Even know though Daboll ran him into the ground this season like the scumbag Daboll is.

Essentially we need to get ready to replace one guy, Derrick Johnson. The rest still have plenty left in the tank and we already have Hali's replacement on the roster.

Flowers 6+ easily
DJ 5+
Tamba 4+
Albert 5-6
Charles (Depending on knees) 5-6
Bowe 6+
Colquitt 7-8 (gotta love the age of kicker sin this league)

butthurt much?

What kind of sin do kickers engage in?

5+ for DJ?

come on Blackbob.

It's just damn silly to even include a punter on the list.

You really don't think the team has any good players ROFL

If I knew, you would think I would have already told Charles :P
Why not? DJ has had a relatively healthy career so far. Couple little bangs and bruises, but nothing major. I mean, he isn't taking the field with a bionic arm.

Some of the oldest guys on defense are guys who lineup off the ball, Obviously your secondary, but MLB/ILB happens to be a position that sees "some of teh best" continue to play well into their 30's. Shit we signed Zach Thomas at 36 a few years back lol.

This team has some good players and the names listed + Houston are GOOD players. Better coaching, a top notch QB and more added talent to go with them will go a long ways. We aren't in a complete rebuild, we are in a reload. Getting a top notch QB in the draft will go a long ways to improving this team fast and into the future.

Where the **** do these trolls come from?


We have good players dude. Our QBs were shit. You can't judge the rest of this team based on SHITTY QB play.

I don't even understand why he's still using Prison Bitch when he has his Wickedson account back????????/

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

We have a handful of good players, most of whom were acquired 5 years ago, or earlier, and shit everywhere else on the roster.

I don't think I'll ever get used to Sacc touting a QB as a 1st round pick.. Boy have the times changed.

One of the things that is enfuriating about this organization is their inability to bring in a pipeline of young players who can replace the veterans. Peterson drafted like pure shit. Pioli decided he was going to target role players instead of drafting core positional talent. While other teams were taking risks on #1 wide receivers and QBs and CBs and left tackles in the early rounds, we were focusing on safeties, 5-techniques, slot receivers, and nickel backs. So we've got a team with very good support players. But you look at each of our core positions and there's nobody in line to take their jobs one day.

we do not have a team with good supporting players

we have good players
then crap.

no compliments.

I argue that safety is a core position in today's NFL.

Absolutely. Safties are asked to do so many different things with the increase of teams using some form of the spread and super mobile qb's .

Yes. I also believe that many of the players have been hindered in their development by direct result of shitty QB play. Potentially they could have done better just with a QB who could deliver the ball on time and accurate.
So I try not to get in on the hate for the guys like Jon Baldwin & Dexter McCluster who have tallent and skills to be successful but fall way short of that mark. They both still may suck in reallity, but I'd like to see what they and this team as a whole could do with a QB that can play todays game.

Jon Baldwin has failed to produce in the one area that he is supposed to excel at, going up and battling for the ball.

And Dexter McCluster is just a myth.

He is not a playmaker, he does not make people miss, he is not exceptionallly fast, nor exceptionally quick.

He is just a midget that brings nothing to the table.

They have plenty of tread on the tires, but the clock is ticking.

Never too early to draft playmakers at skill positions.

What sucks is that it is nearly impossible to accurately assess the talent level on this team due to Cassel's horrendous play and Quinn's futility.

This is almost going to be like drafting our entire team again from our active roster. You have to look at the guys' physical abilities, then project their past success/failure into the NFL. Because what we were last year was NOT NFL CALIBER.

Maybe Baldwin absolutely sucks. Maybe he got tired of being wide open 20 yards down field and watching the Midget get overthrown. Maybe a real QB will get him the ball AS HE IS GETTING OPEN and not seven minutes later when the defensive backs have all closed on him, taken a nap, had a cup of coffee, and planted a flag in his ass Far and Away style.

Maybe our offensive line will play with a little more grit when they have a real QB of real value behind them. This year felt like watching 5 Green Berets standing guard to make sure no one crushes a half eaten box of old Milk Duds. Eventually... you just stop caring.

I'd like to see our run game when the front seven isn't the front eleven and defenses aren't stuffing the box fuller than a 45 year old porn star going for one last payday.

I'd like to see our defensive line when the time of possession isn't 59:59 to 00:01.

However, Peyton Hilis can just **** right off, as can Tyson Jackson. Hillis never tried because he has no internal fortitude. Jackson tried hard, God bless him, but he just sucks.

The rest have to be reevaluated. Except Belcher, I guess.

I still have hope for Baldwin. Cause he was a 1st rd pick I'm willing to let the new staff try and turn him around.

McCluster, they can cut the same day as Cassel.

My bad...just forgot about him.

Yeah, Houston belongs on the list as well and I think we have a good 6 years out of Houston before we have anything to worry about there.

I'd guess two before they decline...

My hang up with Mcmidget is what he did in college against the Tenessee Volts. That was an amazing performance. I just root for the kid in that aspect I was hopeing against hope it would translate into the NFL. So far I have been disapoint, but also think he could do well with production from a real QB and coaching. I'm not going to argue he doesn't suck, reallity is > hope.

Three-four years is our window in my opinion.....

For any player the latest you can push "prime" to would be 28...sometimes 29 if they're lucky...

Dexter MIGHT be serviceable if we get a QB who defenses can't just sit in the box and play against. Might be.


TBH, I like Wylie alot better in that role anyway, and he's nothing to write home about.

Brandon Flowers
- cornerbacks can have pretty long careers. I'm guessing another 6-7 years.

Derrick Johnson
- probably 3-5 (optimistically) at a high level. The biggest change he made during Haley's tenure that made him a better player is that he stopped running around blocks (over the top), and learned to run through gaps and use his speed to get to the ball carrier. So he doesn't get beat up nearly as much.

Tamba Hali
- 2-3 years. I don't know if we didn't begin to see his decline this year. He plays so damn hard, that it may wear the tread earlier than we'd like to admit.

Brandon Albert
- Assuming his back isn't an issue, we could easily get another 8-10 years. Linemen can play forever if they stay fit and aren't always hurt. But that's the big "if" isn't it?

Jamaal Charles
-2-3 years, sadly. Lots of injuries, lots of yardage.

Dwayne Bowe
- speed was never his game. Easily 6-8 more years (or more).

Dustin Colquitt
- he's a punter. He's a finesse, not a power, punter (though he could be if he wanted). Dude could play forever.

I'd actually put Winston, Albert, and Bowe up there as well, if the two are retained.

Berry, Poe, Hudson, Houston, Asamoah have a chance as well.

I love how in mentioning the span of our best players, many have to mention the punter! ROFL

Delude yourself all you want. Our QB sucked obviously but we have holes everywhere. Our defense was shredded constantly. Is that Matt Cassel's fault too? Was he having trouble tackling people?

You are a tool

Our defense was put on the field way to much & the heart of the matter with the Ls building up they really didn't have a fight in the dog. So it all comes back to shitty QB play.

I was running out of people and didn't want to put Warpaint, Cheerleader Heather, or Mitch Holthus on the list :D

They probably have the same number of years left as it's going to take to un****up the mess Peeoli left behind.

STFU.... And people like yourself are the reason Chief fans are classified as snagal-toofed-sister *******. You couldn't find your ass with both hands if I supplied a map and a GPS tracker.

whoa "flowers & bowe maybe 4 - 5" you got to be joking.

DJ, Colquitt & Hali are from an era that fits "4 - 5" but the rest have twice that amt in them, sans Jamaal, who it will be tough to gage. But I'm thinking Jamaal will play another 5 - 6 seasons.

There is time for a championship within this group.

Prime years?

That's what I'm referring to. Flowers and Bowe may still be on the roster after 5 years, but we'll need to be looking for replacements well before that because they will both be declining (and possibly quickly) at that point in their careers.

Yep.


Which is why hitting on this franchise QB is so huge. You hit on that, you have some leeway in what you can start doing.


And I'm of the opinion that there are some next generation cornerstones here already, but not at the positions of guys named in the op.


Asamoah (who is underrated by the board), Hudson, Poe, Berry, Houston, can be the next level guys. You could throw Winston in there too.

****, looking at the guys we have on the roster, it's embarrassing at how badly we were this year. Coaching was criminal and guys underperformed at a high high rate.

Mark Castle?

Maybe next year Detroit will hire a new head coach leaving Gunther available to return as LB coach. Having him coach our linebackers would be like having Picasso paint your kitchen!!

Players are like Lays potato chips...

oh okay, well I am framing this more like "how many years can these guys go and still help this team win big".

As veterans they will help too, obviously in that area of grooming those replacements. This has been a huge hole in the Chiefs over the past decade, is that there have been so few talented draftees that could have been groomed by veteran players such as the OL Vermeil assembled, etc. Bowe had Eddie K for his guy, but that was about the end of it.

Also, we will see prolonged careers in skills positions because of the pussy changes Goodell made.