Home security/defense
 

Spinoff of the woman getting beaten in her home. That thread got me thinking, and I wondered what everyone had to protect their loved ones/family. I have an ADT security system with motion detectors, I also have two pitbulls, both the wife and I have numerous firearms and have taken firearm training.

That thread really made me more content paying $50 a month for 24/7 monitoring/protection of my family and home.

I'd say your good with guns and dogs personally. Our dogs go batshit at the slightest noise.

Edit...not "you" etc. I should've said "one"

I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a chart I put this together a while back when discussing the Sandy Hook incident with some family members.

http://i.imgur.com/rHXLZxv.jpg

Security system, outdoor cameras, 4 Labrador retreivers and multiple Glocks.

Anti-freeze in steak, pitbull threat eliminated.

I got eleven motion lights, 26 guns and nine attack dogs.

AINT NOBODY GONNA GIT ME!

I understand that, but $50 bucks a month is worth it IMO. I got the setup and install free.

RPGs! Keep one in every room and it will **** shit up!

Seriously though, like cops a security system isn't going to prevent someone from breaking in. It will just allow you to catch them after the fact and hopefully in process. Even guns aren't useful unless you actually train to be able to use then AND are willing to use them if you have to. The simple reality is outside of certain areas home invasions are uncommon! That's not to say you shouldn't be prepared but being prepared requires work!

One of my dogs is Schutzhund trained.

I have a dog, but I think she is too sweet to do anything. Unless a bird intruded, than that bird is gonna get ****ed up.

but she does bark ferociously when someone is walking their dogs outside. That at least lets people know, hey, there is a big dog in here.

I completely disagree, security systems will prevent break ins, it has been shown that just home security signs can be efficient. Most robbers would leave a house when the siren of the alarm goes off (if close to other houses).

Pretty much. Even guns are a false security blanket; you're much more likely to get shot in your home if you have a gun in the house, period. I don't fault people who have either - the peace of mind has a definite value for some - but the fact of the matter is the increase in personal safety is negligible.

I live in the crappiest house in a nice neighborhood, so I don't really worry about anyone picking my place to come in and steal shit. There's much better targets around here.

I think it depends where you live.

We have some close friends that lived in Hancock Park that never used their security system. They have easy street access (unlike the Hills) and one night at 2am, two guys broke into their home. He doesn't own a gun but he grabbed a baseball bat and was hitting them as they were trying to find loot. Their dogs were barking but didn't attack (although the dogs surrounded his wife to protect her). Finally, the attackers left. They were so spooked that they couldn't even live in their home for two months and later sold it. From that point on, I began using my alarm system every night.

In 2009, someone tried to break into my home while we were visiting KC. We're we barely gone 8 hours before the attempt, so they were definitely casing my home. The alarm went off at 4am but by the time the police responded, they were gone.

In 2010, it happened again. Same window, no theft, but attempted break in. In 2011, not only did the alarm go off but my phone box was found wide open, as the burglars were attempting to cut the phone wires, so that ADT and the police would not be notified. It's 12 foot up the side of the house so they had to bring a ladder. I put a heavy duty padlock on the box when we returned to town.

Since then, I added another seven foot gate with spikes on top so they can't access that window and additional gate out back. I've added the ADT Pulse system, which includes a cell phone to call ADT if the phone lines are cut, cameras, along with numerous other safety features (dead bolts, security doors, more external gates, etc.).

The oddest part is that my house is a fort and I have no idea why anyone would want to walk up or down 50 stairs, in the dark, without knowing where they're going. But, I'm not a thief, so I can't possibly understand that mindset.

All I can do is protect my home and belongings the best I can.

The issue to me is just that you're not starting from a high probability that you'll be broken into in the first place. You're definitely correct that a security system (or even the sign as you mentioned) is a deterrent. But (purely making up numbers here) if 99% of people will never be broken into in their lives and the security system cuts your chances of being broken into in half, you just increased your chances of being broken into by 0.5%. The value of that 0.5% is the question.

I agree completely with your last statement. Most people do not have the training to use a firearm correctly. Mix that in with darkness and arousal from deep sleep and you have a gun wielding person who would be more dangerous to themselves than the intruder.

I think that's fair. Some neighborhoods are more prone to issues than others for sure. And you probably have more stuff to steal than the average Joe might as well.

There's a saying its better to have the worst home in the neighborhood then having the best.

Would love to see pics of Dane's Fort.

The strange thing is that our neighborhood was deemed the safest in the USA just a year or two ago (90068). I guess maybe they didn't take into account robbery attempts?

They're on here some where

Would love to see pics as well, sounds pretty sweet.

Sounds like someone pulled some strings to raise the property values up would be my assessment.

Just post a "gun-free zone" sign outside your residence.

Its guaranteed to prevent crime. LMAO

I guess another reason I was thinking about this was because last Saturday my cousin and her husbands house was robbed. They lost anything of value, and they feel very compromised and have been contemplating moving now.

Nah, are property values weren't hurt much by the crash and are almost back to Pre-crash numbers.

ADT + guns. Should be sufficient.

It's really hard to photograph because it's 45 foot tall. Street level pics don't do it justice and I can't take a front facing pic from the opposing hillside anymore due to the neighbor's gigantic, mega dangerous tree.

My brother worked in an embassy in Honduras his house was surrounded by 12 foot walls with cut up glass on top of the walls.



The Bourne Ultimatum movie had a scene in Italy I think where Jason was climbing over similar walls using wrapped cloth to protect his hands it brought back memories.

Jesus Christ - sounds like somebody's really got a hard-on for your stuff.

You might want to add a shotgun to your home defense plan.

Dag gone man! Congrats on getting to that level!

I've thought about it but the good thing is that the attempts have occurred when we've been out of town. The Labs would scare them away because they are LOUD.

I'm not anti-gun in the least but I've never shot or even held a gun. I think I recall telling you that the former head of SWAT (now a SWAT trainer) has offered on numerous occasions to teach me, but life always gets one way.

Someday...

Home security is something I've never worried about. I recognize the fact that people often don't until they've had their first experience though...

Thanks, Dude! We've been here for ten years now and while I love the home, it a PITA when I go to Costco and have to unload. Or, if I just forget something when I get in the car and realize it's in the bedroom 50 stairs up.

:doh!:

See that is where I was. I am willing to spend the money, if I never have to use the system it is still well worth it to me.

I bet in you're in great shape though! Probably hasn't hurt the wife's glutes any either lol.

Thieves don't care what your house looks like.

Yeah Dane I would keep the same cars out, if you do when you go out of town and tell an extremely limited number of people that you will be gone a few days that's for sure. I'm sure you know that already.

I thought I found them, but you must've deleted them all. :sulk:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189314

Google always has aeriel views available.

Hmm, those are what I recall as well. On well, I must have had a reason to delete them but I can't remember why.

I'll try to post some pics later.

The google views of my home are nine years old. It's odd to see them because the house has changed so much.

It was probably Lindsay Lohan all wasted LMAO

Just remember, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

I'd take that guy up on his offer. You can't beat that level of training.

I was thinking a couple of Chris Brown's wayward posse members. :D

I've got a security system with motion sensors and glass breaking sensors (Securenet, $31 a month), 3 shotguns, 2 high-powered rifles, 2 hand guns, and 2 highly trained attack Yorkshire Terriers. Come at me, bro.

I remember why I deleted them now: Irrational paranoia. I even removed my locale from the member map because we were leaving town for two weeks during the holidays. With so many recent burglary attempts, I began to get really nervous.

But, no attempted break ins occurred during that trip.

Coincidence?

:p

Thanks for the advice! I will take him up on it when time permits.

A rather protective male Dobermann.

If that fails, shotgun.

You own a shotgun?

My dobie is female

But yeah, Doberman + firearm + house alarm

Yep, I'm hooking diesel fuel to my lawn sprinkler sysyem so when they try to escape I can light their shit up !

I'm hanging my Aaron Hernandez jersey on the front of my house .

I don't have any shit worth stealing
and that has worked out so far
:thumb:

Well then they're going to be disappointed if they do pick my place.

Yes, I do now.

Female Dobes are actually superior with regard to protecting family, IMO.

It's amazing how many people say "you better be trained to use a gun"... Do these people actually believe that dumba** criminals train to use guns? Sometimes society makes it sound like the criminals are Harvard educated. I have a 45 loaded I am my house at all times.

Parents house got robbed when I was younger.

Parents were at work, I was at school.

Long story short...Cop told us the best security system you can get is a dog.

ADT
180 lbs of German Shepard
Guns
6ft fence around all but the front of the house.
Sheriffs Deputy two doors down doesn't hurt either.

It's 100% undeniable fact that having a gun in your home makes you more likely to be shot, and lack of training is a likely reason why.

I sleep next to my sig 2340.

A good big dog helps too. Mine would probably just lick the intruder and roll over for a belly rub if he came in the house. Her bark is loud and deep tho and would probably keep him from coming in.

HOME DEFENSE SYSTEM
Step 1
Razor wire
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Step 2
Minefield
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Step 3
Attack dogs unleashed
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Step 4
Security alarm tiggered/Police in route
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Step 5
Which gun to choose/decisions, decisions
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Step 6
The inevitable gunfight
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Step 7- With the burglar dead the gang he was with vows vengeance for
their fallen brother/ Prepare for another night of mayhem at the residence of the law abiding citizen
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In a studio apartment no less.

Get an armory and stock up on bastard swords, long swords, broad swords, and rapiers and daggers (for the ladies).

My youngest dog will kill whatever come thru whatever door/window and he is fighting cancer. Then you deal with me. His bark scares everyone. Most people refuse to in come in unless I am present because of him. Because his bark and growl.

I have a simple security system. It has entrances covered and motion detectors. It's not linked to any service, but makes a hell of a lot of noise. It also came with security system warning information that is posted in front and back.

I also have a 12 gauge shot gun for home defense.

Simplisafe security system (24.95 monitoring) + Multiple firearms.. Always a gun within hands reach when sleeping...

Door Wedge Alarms
http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Leonards-Do.../dp/B002TSO4IK

Gives you a few valuable seconds + may scare off an intruder before he gets in

Or The alternative

http://108.imagebam.com/download/L5z...76320/guns.JPG

:spock:

Life's not a video game, Rambo. Just because you can hit a bullseye at the range doesn't mean you're ready to roll when you're awakened by an alarm, the sound of breaking glass or a screaming family member in the middle of the night. Is the safety on? Is the gun loaded? Who's in my house? How many? Where are they? What are they doing? Have you thought about what happens if you turn on a light? Will that enable them to see you before you see them? What happens if your gun jams? Will you have the presence of mind to clear it, or just panic? All these things going through your mind when you've just woke up in the middle of the night and your heart is pounding and the adrenaline is pumping, and you've got a loaded gun in your hand. I've been in this situation, and believe me, you will not be as ready as you think. The more training you have, the better. The more familiar and comfortable you are with your weapon, the better. So what if the crackhead intruder can't shoot worth a crap? It's not like he's going to be sniping you from across the street. You aren't looking for a fair fight; you're looking to preserve your life and the lives of your family.

You actually dealt with an intruder at your home? I'd love to hear that story.

You haven't heard the story? A refrigerator broke in at 3 in the morning, and he shot that ****er dead.

Yeah, you've got to keep your cool when being attacked by a refrigerator. You don't want to freeze up under the pressure.

One real incident and one false alarm.

Real incident - I lived in a shitty neighborhood in Chicago. I had taken the trash out and failed to securely shut the back door. I was in the apartment alone, both my roommates were out, and I heard somebody rummaging around in the kitchen. I knew I had three choices - do nothing, run out the front door, or go for my roommate's gun. I ran for the gun, grabbed it, chambered a round and went charging toward the kitchen. At some point during all this the intruder fled. Didn't take anything I'm aware of and I never saw who it was.

False alarm - my infamous refrigerator incident. Short version - alarm went off, I charged downstairs half asleep, saw it was a false alarm, turning the alarm off, accidentally discharged revolver when I tried to decock it. That's the kind of shit that happens in real life when you're half asleep and freaked out.

I hate you. nlm

did the fridge survive?

Nothing is ninja proof.

I rely on a Kimber 1911.

Free installation with that company?

$25 a month is reasonable.