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The Franchise 04-23-2014 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10580751)
10 Detroit Lions- Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Wow-Lions would be pretty much unstoppable in the passing game. Wish the Chiefs could move up and take this guy-he is going to be a Touch Down machine.
Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.

Sfeihc 04-23-2014 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10581828)
Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.
Not so fast, my friend. Their O-Line last season was surprisingly good.

Saccopoo 04-23-2014 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10581828)
Yet they still don't have an offensive line to block for Stafford.
Larry Warford destroyed dudes last year and Riley Reiff was pretty solid in his first season starting at LT (especially considering the murderers row of sack artists he faced last season).

In fact, quite the contrary to popular opinion, the Lions offensive line was the second best in the NFL in terms of fewest sacks given up (a mere 23 for the entire season).

Discuss Thrower 04-23-2014 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10581682)
Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover. :)
And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.

OldSchool 04-23-2014 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10581854)
Larry Warford destroyed dudes last year and Riley Reiff was pretty solid in his first season starting at LT (especially considering the murderers row of sack artists he faced last season).

In fact, quite the contrary to popular opinion, the Lions offensive line was the second best in the NFL in terms of fewest sacks given up (a mere 23 for the entire season).
And yet Stafford still couldn't win enough games to make it into the playoffs over the Packers and Bears who were both missing their starting QBs for a large part of the season. He's one of the most overrated QBs in this league. All the weapons in the world that a QB could ask for, a good OL, and still can't score enough points to lead his team to victory.

Stafford is the Champion of the Fantasy Football QB age; tons of yards for lots of fantasy points, but is actually a pretty bad QB who can't win anything.

kccrow 04-24-2014 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10581998)
And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.
We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.

Saccopoo 04-24-2014 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10581999)
And yet Stafford still couldn't win enough games to make it into the playoffs over the Packers and Bears who were both missing their starting QBs for a large part of the season. He's one of the most overrated QBs in this league. All the weapons in the world that a QB could ask for, a good OL, and still can't score enough points to lead his team to victory.

Stafford is the Champion of the Fantasy Football QB age; tons of yards for lots of fantasy points, but is actually a pretty bad QB who can't win anything.
Absolutely agree.

The Franchise 04-24-2014 11:37 PM
Stafford has all the weapons in the world? Megatron and who else? Burleson? Titus Young? Ryan Broyles?

Ragged Robin 04-25-2014 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10488058)
"The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014"

...they are? They got their shit pushed in for 1/2 of the season, and embarrassed in the playoffs.
lol you think these reerun "analysts" actually watch our games?

Sfeihc 04-25-2014 06:57 AM
There is a particularly large amount of Lions ignorance in this thread.

planetdoc 04-29-2014 03:26 PM
Kiper 5.0
23: Marqise Lee Kansas City Chiefs (11-5) COLLEGE: USC Class: Jr HT: 5-11 WT: 192 POS: WR Analysis: Given their needs and the depth in this draft, I could see the Chiefs moving down if they can add a pick or two. They don't have one in Round 2 thanks to (the success of) the Alex Smith trade. However, if they stay put, they could use a receiver who can help immediately -- K.C. really is a "win-now" team on the personnel side despite a huge leap in 2013 -- and Lee comes in as a possible steal, given his uneven junior season after he'd firmly established his value for evaluators.

24: Kony Ealy Cincinnati Bengals
25: Anthony Barr San Diego Chargers
26: Kyle Fuller Cleveland Browns
27: Cody Latimer New Orleans Saints
28: Morgan Moses Carolina Panthers
29: Ra'Shede Hageman New England Patriots
30: Jordan Matthews San Francisco 49ers
31: Jason Verrett Denver Broncos
32: Stephon Tuitt Seattle Seahawks

Saccopoo 04-29-2014 05:45 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed with Lee.

However, I think I'd rather have Moncrief all things considered, if they were going wide receiver at that point.

Bigger, faster, more explosive, younger...I don't think that there is a single thing that Lee does that Moncrief doesn't do better, plus he's got the much higher ceiling due to his two year younger age difference and his substantially bigger size and speed.

I'm still a little befuddled why Moncrief isn't showing up more as a potential Chiefs pick on some of these drafturbator lists. He's got as much upside as any receiver in this draft including Watkins and Evans. In fact, I think that he's going to end up the best receiver out of this draft class. (Take that Jordan Matthews fans.)

I just found a little 2014 WR draft class sweet 16 battle. This one actually features Moncrief vs. Lee. (No one picked Lee. Moncrief in a landslide.)

http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2014/03...onte-moncrief/

O.city 04-29-2014 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10583447)
We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.
Aaron Donald.

Saccopoo 04-29-2014 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10593810)
Aaron Donald.
Do you seriously think that Donald will be there at #23 anyway?

Regardless if he fits the system or not, he'll be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.

O.city 04-29-2014 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10594188)
Do you seriously think that Donald will be there at #23 anyway?

Regardless if he fits the system or not, he'll be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.
Was just answering his question.

I think Donald could play the 3 tech in the 34 and be just as good as Richardson in NY.


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