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KcMizzou 10-16-2013 08:27 PM

Chiefs’ defense isn’t only fueling undefeated start, it could be record-breaking
 
Chiefs’ defense isn’t only fueling undefeated start, it could be record-breaking

By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Look, there are a dozen reasons this whole thing will be as outdated as a flip-phone soon enough, but while the numbers line up we might as well say it out loud:

This Chiefs defense has a chance to go down as one of the best in recent NFL memory.

Honest.

Now, we’re all adults here. We all know the Chiefs’ first six opponents included the Jaguars and maybe two playoff teams (the Titans and someone from the awful NFC East) while their next 10 opponents include five currently in the top five in offense (starting this week against the Texans, and peaking with two games against the Broncos).

So what the Chiefs are doing at the moment is a bit like leading a marathon at mile six, but, well, after years of throwing up in the sponsors’ tent by this point, it’s worth taking a moment to recognize that this defense isn’t just fueling a 6-0 start, it’s playing at a historic pace.

On Wednesday, Tamba Hali was announced as the AFC’s defensive player of the week. That means that, between Hali and fellow linebacker Justin Houston, the Chiefs have won the award three of a possible six times. And Houston was chosen defensive player of the month for September.

The turnaround is nothing short of astonishing, the combination of a strengthened secondary and a major shift in philosophy toward organized chaos. Hali often talks of a specific change: from poring over film a year ago for better understanding of opponents, to a new aggression that forces offenses to do the reacting.

The best way to illustrate the change might be to point out that the defense has given up seven touchdowns and five field goals while scoring four touchdowns of their own and forcing turnovers that gave the offense the ball in plus-territory 11 other times.

Think of it like this: Opponents have been 50 percent more likely to turn the ball over than to manage even a field goal against the Chiefs, regardless of field position.

But the easiest place to start — the place most people like to start — is with the pass rush. The Chiefs lead the NFL with 31 sacks, which is not only more than they had all of last year, but on a pace (82.7) to eclipse the 1984 Bears’ NFL record of 72.

Ten different Chiefs have sacked the quarterback compared to six all of last year. Houston, Hali and Dontari Poe form perhaps the best trio in the NFL: Houston leads the league in sacks, Hali is fourth, and only one interior lineman has more sacks than Poe.

Any talk about the Chiefs’ success to this point includes the caveat of their remarkably easy schedule, but it’s also true that of their six opponents, four have scored their fewest points of the season against the Chiefs. The exceptions are the Giants (seven against Kansas City) and Titans (17). The Eagles and Cowboys each rank in the league’s top five in points scored and were a combined 25 points under their season averages against the Chiefs.

The statistical case is overwhelming. The Chiefs are giving up just 10.8 points per game and are on pace for 48 takeaways. Both marks would be the best since the famous 2000 Ravens, who gave up 10.3 points per game, forced 49 turnovers and won Super Bowl XXXV.

NFL people talk all the time about the increased importance of the passing game, right? Well, the Chiefs are giving up a scant 4.4 yards per pass attempt, which would be the lowest average since the 2008 Super Bowl champion Steelers. The Chiefs are allowing opposing quarterbacks a meager 59.8 passer rating, which would be the lowest mark the league has seen since the 2009 Jets defense that dragged Mark Sanchez to the AFC championship game.

It’s not all the schedule, either. Football Outsiders has a metric that takes into account strength of opponents. The Chiefs have the best score in the NFL, better than the Seahawks. In fact, the Chiefs are on pace for the best mark in the six-year history of Pro Football Focus’ measurement.

Again, the games that will define the Chiefs’ season are still to come. They haven’t faced offenses as good as the ones that remain on the schedule.

Thing is, none of those teams has faced a defense that’s playing as well as the Chiefs, either.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/16...this-team.html

Chiefshrink 10-16-2013 08:34 PM

Helps having a 2-14 schedule playing teams that are struggling just like Jacksonville.

tk13 10-16-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10092612)
Helps having a 2-14 schedule playing teams that are struggling just like Jacksonville.

There are only 2 games affected by that, and we haven't played them yet. Bills and Browns coming up here in a couple weeks.

Strongside 10-16-2013 08:39 PM

I love winning. Don't care how.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 10092623)
I love winning. Don't care how.

Agreed. And I believe the offense will get better.

tk13 10-16-2013 08:45 PM

The weird thing is it's the first time the Chiefs have been dominant on the opposite side of the head coach's strength.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10092638)
The weird thing is it's the first time the Chiefs have been dominant on the opposite side of the head coach's strength.

Good point. That's something I hadn't thought about.

KCrockaholic 10-16-2013 08:47 PM

Just understand the 2012 Chiefs would've lost to all of these teams we've played except maybe the Jaguars. So to say "they haven't played anybody" is fine, but realize how good they are and how far they've come in a few months. Nobody should be acting like this is a total fluke. Andy Reid knows how to win.

Bugeater 10-16-2013 08:48 PM

Quote:

Opponents have been 50 percent more likely to turn the ball over than to manage even a field goal against the Chiefs, regardless of field position.
That is hilariously awesome.

a pp roach 10-16-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10092614)
There are only 2 games affected by that, and we haven't played them yet. Bills and Browns coming up here in a couple weeks.

this. so. much. this.

teams get all the crap in the world for having an easy schedule when really it's just two conference games determined by the previous year's record. i mean, we can't help it that this is the year the nfc east decided to officially suck and it's not our fault the texans are shitting their pants.

ModSocks 10-16-2013 08:52 PM

All this positive spin is freaking me out man. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm anxious for the inevitable day it all comes crashing down.

Gravedigger 10-16-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10092638)
The weird thing is it's the first time the Chiefs have been dominant on the opposite side of the head coach's strength.

Ummmm hellllllo? What about Greg Robinson's Defense under Dick Vermeil? The only thing it was missing was the D.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10092660)
All this positive spin is freaking me out man. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm anxious for the inevitable day it all comes crashing down.

Hell, Mellinger's cautiously optimistic at best in this article. He's just pointing out facts.

Bugeater 10-16-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10092660)
All this positive spin is freaking me out man. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm anxious for the inevitable day it all comes crashing down.

I'm not anxious for it, but I can't shake the feeling that it's going to happen. We're conditioned to feel that way as Chiefs fans.

Well everyone except Halfcan, he thinks we're going to win the ****ing Super Bowl.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 10092672)
Ummmm hellllllo? What about Greg Robinson's Defense under Dick Vermeil? The only thing it was missing was the D.

I think you misunderstood his post.

(Or you don't know anything about Andy Reid)

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-16-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 10092628)
Agreed. And I believe the offense will get better.

Perhaps Fasano will tip the balance. If not, give the ATL whatever they want.
We suck at drafting anyway.

keg in kc 10-16-2013 09:02 PM

Being 6-0 is also going to have a detrimental effect on our strength of schedule, same as it does for Denver.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10092677)
I'm not anxious for it, but I can't shake the feeling that it's going to happen. We're conditioned to feel that way as Chiefs fans.

Well everyone except Halfcan, he thinks we're going to win the ****ing Super Bowl.

Man, I'm a Chiefs fan and a Mizzou fan. So I've got a little bit of that in me all the time. But I don't let it touch my enjoyment of the successes.

Shit may go bad, but I'm not gonna be all gloom and doom expecting it to.

Shit's good right now!

Bugeater 10-16-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 10092691)
Man, I'm a Chiefs fan and a Mizzou fan. So I've got a little bit of that in me all the time. But I don't let it touch my enjoyment of the successes.

Shit may go bad, but I'm not gonna be all gloom and doom expecting it to.

Shit's good right now!

I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying the hell out of the ride.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-16-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10092701)
I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying the hell out of the ride.

I enjoy the games and most assuredly the wins. At least we are watchable now.

That said, the offense is pure flustration.

Fairplay 10-16-2013 09:15 PM

Please God let the Chiefs win a SB soon, pretty please?

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-16-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 10092712)
Please God let the Chiefs win a SB soon, pretty please?

A few FA tweaks to the line and stability at the TE position can get it done, even this year.

Hog Rider 10-16-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10092686)
Being 6-0 is also going to have a detrimental effect on our strength of schedule, same as it does for Denver.

This

:D..and we better start losing double-quick to get a better draft pick.

KcMizzou 10-16-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10092701)
I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying the hell out of the ride.

:thumb:

Bugeater 10-16-2013 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Rider (Post 10092718)
This

:D..and we better start losing double-quick to get a better draft pick.

Speaking of which...I bet Mecca is furious about this.

milkman 10-16-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10092614)
There are only 2 games affected by that, and we haven't played them yet. Bills and Browns coming up here in a couple weeks.

It feels as though people have to told this simple fact every damn day.

Mav 10-16-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 10092712)
Please God let the Chiefs win a SB soon, pretty please?

The Lord cast his son, the Mighty Bob Sutton down upon Missouri to land in a place that needed his leadership the most. "Go to the Chiefs my son." the Lord proclaimed, "build a defense like nothing the league has seen since the old days of the Baltimore Ravens. Show them that in the day of offensive power houses, that it will be the defense that once again rises, and shows that on Sundays, offenses sell tickets, but defenses win CHAMPIONSHIPS."

"Let those that pine for a franchise qb suffer with Alex Smith, when they should be praising the fact that I didn't send Tebow instead. Tell them to follow the GREAT Bob Sutton to Lombardi glory. For it shall be written, as I have said so."

Pasta Little Brioni 10-16-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10092612)
Helps having a 2-14 schedule playing teams that are struggling just like Jacksonville.

Dumb post is dumb

Titty Meat 10-16-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10092677)
I'm not anxious for it, but I can't shake the feeling that it's going to happen. We're conditioned to feel that way as Chiefs fans.

Well everyone except Halfcan, he thinks we're going to win the ****ing Super Bowl.

Eh there's no reason to think this team will do much if the offense plays like it did against the Raiders.

Psyko Tek 10-16-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10092612)
Helps having a 2-14 schedule playing teams that are struggling just like Jacksonville.

urine idiot

Anyong Bluth 10-16-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10092686)
Being 6-0 is also going to have a detrimental effect on our strength of schedule, same as it does for Denver.

Yes, by definition all of the collective losses by the teams faced by KC and Denver automatically pulls down their sos and opponents win loss record.

That's why it's sort of like saying, they're not really that good because they haven't played anyone that has beat them.

suzzer99 10-16-2013 10:17 PM

Are you sure they don't factor out losses to the team in question when determining strength of schedule? That would be much smarter.

Smarter still would be to use betting lines to determine SoS - which I think some sites like inpredictable do.

Psyko Tek 10-16-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 10092672)
Ummmm hellllllo? What about Greg Robinson's Defense under Dick Vermeil? The only thing it was missing was the D.

I have always been a big D fan and hated the vermiel years
THIS IS CHIEFS FOOTBALL
**** THE O WE CAN WIN IT ON D

Pasta Little Brioni 10-16-2013 10:18 PM

Destroy Neckbone

Psyko Tek 10-16-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 10092677)
I'm not anxious for it, but I can't shake the feeling that it's going to happen. We're conditioned to feel that way as Chiefs fans.

Well everyone except Halfcan, he thinks we're going to win the ****ing Super Bowl.

we are not gonna lose THE SUPERBOWL

Mav 10-17-2013 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 10092877)
I have always been a big D fan and hated the vermiel years
THIS IS CHIEFS FOOTBALL
**** THE O WE CAN WIN IT ON D

There is something euphoric about knowing that when your defense steps on the field, that the offense is scared, and they know it.

That's how teams have looked the past couple of weeks against the Chiefs. And as a Chiefs fan, you can smell it. My wife and I were watching the game, and she asked me why I had a grin on my face, because I had been cussing Alex Smiths ass out, and I said "the defense is about to break Pryors heart. "

Not three plays later, he threw that balloon ball that was picked off.

RINGLEADER 10-17-2013 12:53 AM

Another pointless stat to underscore how great our defense is and how crappy everyone else's is...

Ravens surrendered 7 TDs in their first game.
Chiefs have surrendered 7 TDs all season.

redshirt32 10-17-2013 02:08 AM

Den is giving up 26.3 points a game
and winning by 17.8 points a game

Chiefs are giving up 10.8 points a game
winning by 14.5 points a game

Den has scored twice as many touchdowns the Chiefs have yet
the Chiefs are only 20 net points behind them at 87 good for second place Den has 107 net points for the year good for first place.

We have the D now to make a good run just need a fix or too on the O side and this team is light out!

warrior 10-17-2013 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 10092856)
urine idiot





Its early in the morning but made me laugh :)

mdchiefsfan 10-17-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10092789)
The Lord cast his son, the Mighty Bob Sutton down upon Missouri to land in a place that needed his leadership the most. "Go to the Chiefs my son." the Lord proclaimed, "build a defense like nothing the league has seen since the old days of the Baltimore Ravens. Show them that in the day of offensive power houses, that it will be the defense that once again rises, and shows that on Sundays, offenses sell tickets, but defenses win CHAMPIONSHIPS."

"Let those that pine for a franchise qb suffer with Alex Smith, when they should be praising the fact that I didn't send Tebow instead. Tell them to follow the GREAT Bob Sutton to Lombardi glory. For it shall be written, as I have said so."

LMAO

BlackHelicopters 10-17-2013 07:32 AM

Chase Daniel


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