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DTLB58 03-13-2005 11:43 AM

Gaz
Can find positive and negative reviews of just about every player out there.

I agree after reading through tons of player bios and mocks over the past month that is a very true statement. But there are certain weakness that can't be taught or it could mean that player just does not have the attitude to be strong in that area. One weakness I HATE to see is, Isn't a great tackler...Not very stout against the run... That is about attitude. Does a CB have to have that, probably not, but that is one of the reasons I always hated Deion.

tiptap 03-13-2005 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief
A couple things...First off the Fins don't have a 2nd round pick because of their brilliant AJ Feeley trade, they also don't have a 3rd round pick because of the Lamar Gordon trade with the Rams.

As for the guaranteed contracts comment I believe you are thinking of the NBA where 1st rounders get a guaranteed 3 year deal and 2nd rounders don't...NFL isn't like that...Only thing guaranteed is the signing bonus that is put in their hand. Granted because the signing bonuses are getting so big that it is becoming more popular for part of the bonus to be deferred but other than the guaranteed bonuses in the contracts virtually nothing else is.
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Within the regular NFL salary cap is a second, or sub-cap, for signing rookies (including draft picks), which takes into account the number and placement in the draft order of each team's picks. Each team gets a certain share of a predetermined total amount of money (the "rookie pool") to spend on rookies. Since this money is counted against the overall cap, it's actually a cap within the cap.

For 2004 the Raiders will be allowed to spend up to $5,170,440 in cap money to sign their rookies (both drafted and undrafted).

In 2002 the NFL allocated an average of about $3.8 million per team, but the allocated amount varied from team to team depending on the number of draft picks they had. The Raiders' 2002 allocation for signing rookies was $4,254,000.

http://www.vertgame.com/rookie_pool.html

While it is true the contracts aren't fixed the numbers are pretty well set by this Rookie Cap within the Cap situation. So Miami might get allotted more money with 2 first round drafts but would be pushed over the top in the overall cap. This is what I was referring to.

But if Miami doesn't have a 2nd pick then this is a dead idea.

philfree 03-13-2005 01:40 PM

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Here is a bio on your 1st rounder. Sounds a lot like what we already have...

From nflcountdown...

Carlos Rogers

Official Bio College: Auburn Height: 6-03/8
Position: Cornerback Weight: 196
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.35
SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Excellent size and speed for the position...Tough player who will fight through injuries...Great athleticism...Good ball skills and has become a a playmaker as a senior...Has a lot of experience and made an impact early on as a freshman.
Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree :arrow:

Coogs 03-13-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree
Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree :arrow:

And who in the Chiefs secondary doesn't fit this description?

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Weaknesses: Doesn't always play up to his physical tools...Isn't a great tackler...Not very stout against the run...Has a lot of work to do in terms of his technique...Needs to master the nuances of the position rather than relying on his physical gifts so much.

milkman 03-13-2005 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree
Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree :arrow:

I really think the problem lies in the fact that Carl, somehow has mistaken "athletic" for "versatile".

I'm not sure about Battle, but Bartee is considered athletic, so Carl (and Gun, for that matter) felt that he had the potential to convert to corner, without giving actual thought to the fact that corner technique requires both good instints, and years of practice for most.

Dale Carter was a rare exception.

They seem to have forgotten about the pevious failed effort of converting Woods to corner.

Coogs 03-13-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder
I really think the problem lies in the fact that Carl, somehow has mistaken "athletic" for "versatile".

I'm not sure about Battle, but Bartee is considered athletic, so Carl (and Gun, for that matter) felt that he had the potential to convert to corner, without giving actual thought to the fact that corner technique requires both good instints, and years of practice for most.

Dale Carter was a rare exception.

They seem to have forgotten about the pevious failed effort of converting Woods to corner.

IIRC, Battle was supposed to be just as athletic if not more so than Carter.

milkman 03-13-2005 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs
IIRC, Battle was supposed to be just as athletic if not more so than Carter.

I think we've proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that more than just athleticism is required for the CB position.

Spicy McHaggis 03-13-2005 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58
Gaz
Can find positive and negative reviews of just about every player out there.

I agree after reading through tons of player bios and mocks over the past month that is a very true statement. But there are certain weakness that can't be taught or it could mean that player just does not have the attitude to be strong in that area. One weakness I HATE to see is, Isn't a great tackler...Not very stout against the run... That is about attitude. Does a CB have to have that, probably not, but that is one of the reasons I always hated Deion.

I like Rogers but I agree with DTLB58 here. Out of the guys I consider the 4 top corners Rolle, Jones, Browner and Rogers, Rogers is the only one who seems to not like to support the run as much. Even Pac-Man who is more diminutive than the rest attacks the line on runs.

BossChief 11-17-2012 01:27 PM

LOLWUT?

Titty Meat 11-17-2012 01:29 PM

This has to be Woodchuck****er

milkman 11-17-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9125148)
This has to be Woodchuck****er

This doesn't feel like woodchucker to me.

Has brianfo been banned?

BossChief 11-17-2012 01:42 PM

My guess is joey

Old Dog 11-17-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9125165)
My guess is joey

+1

milkman 11-17-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9125165)
My guess is joey

Joey, to the best of knowledge, has no reason to stalk me.

Never had any problems with him, that I can recall.

ThaVirus 11-17-2012 02:00 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess it's Flopnuts.

He's an evil ****er.


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