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Dartgod 11-28-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barney Stinson (Post 9159265)
he dragged the first guy after the kill shot I thought.

I don't disagree it's possible, and I don't disagree this guy is a nut. but what are you securing him with? got some rope handy? handcuffs? You know before hand that the second person isn't coming down right away? It ended up that the second person didn't come down right away, but you can't afford to take that chance to tie someone up.

And even if you search him and find nothing on him, he could find your other gun downstairs if you turn your back on him. a pipe, a table leg, old lamp, etc. He could be yelling to his friend upstairs, giving information about the layout, your weapons, that you don't have a phone to call the police, etc.

Too many possible bad scenarios for me personally. If I know someone else is in the house, I'm eliminating one threat, trying to call for back up in some way if I can, and watching the fatal funnel that is the entrance to the basement and shooting anything I don't recognize coming down the steps. I don't care about taking prisoners in that case.

Anyway, just saying the kill shot on the first guy doesn't turn my stomach upside down as much as everyone else. given what we think we know about what happened, or what was reported to have happened.

Sounds like a great movie script.

InChiefsHeaven 11-28-2012 01:39 PM

Damn. I don't want to shoot anyone, much less in my own home, unless it's absolutely necessary. But the execution stuff is over the line. My stuff isn't that important to me. My family is however. But if I'm alone, and I pop this guy, I call the cops period.

I get that he didn't know what weapons they may have had. But I get even more that the guy was a nut case and these kids basically broke into the wrong ****ing house.

Moral of the story...kids, don't be breaking into houses.

NIUhuskies 11-28-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9159270)
Sounds like a great movie script.

what would the title of the movie be??

unlurking 11-28-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NIUhuskies (Post 9160038)
what would the title of the movie be??

"What to do in Kansas City when you're out of antifreeze."

Sorter 11-28-2012 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 9160163)
"What to do in Kansas City when you're out of antifreeze."

http://i.imgur.com/u9H6N.gif

MIAdragon 11-28-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9158484)
I think a mental evaluation is the first order of business

or a bullet to the head.

displacedinMN 11-28-2012 06:50 PM

Little Falls shootings: Drugs, other items reported stolen found in car teens used
By Christopher Magan
cmagan@pioneerpress.com
Posted: 11/28/2012 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 11/28/2012 05:12:28 PM CST

Cousins Nicholas Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, were shot to death Thanksgiving Day 2012 after allegedly breaking in to a man's Little Falls, Minn., home.


Authorities tied the teenage cousins killed by a homeowner after they broke into his Little Falls, Minn., house Thanksgiving Day to a similar break-in the night before.

Prescription drugs from the earlier burglary were found in the red Mitsubishi Eclipse that Nicholas Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, drove when they broke into Byron David Smith's home north of Little Falls, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said Wednesday, Nov. 28.

Deputies are now reviewing police reports to see if other burglaries are connected to the teens.

Investigators are trying to determine whether Kifer and Brady took the medication the night before they were killed from a home just south of Little Falls near where Kifer's family lives.

The homeowner, Richard L. Johnson, was out of town when his house was ransacked and pills and coins were taken, he said.

Smith was in his basement and has told authorities he heard the break-in at his house Nov. 22. He armed himself with a rifle and a revolver and waited in a chair.

Smith shot and wounded the teens as they came downstairs and then dispatched them with close range shots to the chest and head. He put their bodies in a workshop and police were not notified until a day later when a neighbor called police.

Smith was charged Monday with two counts of second-degree murder. He remains in the Morrison County Jail on $2 million bond.

Johnson, 68, a retired English teacher, was vacationing in Spain and returned home Nov. 25,
three days after the killings, to find his home in disarray. A crowbar he keeps outback was used to break a patio door to gain entry and cupboards and drawers were pulled open, he said.

All he found missing was some foreign coins, a box of pennies and some routine prescription drugs.

"These weren't painkillers or anything," he said.

Johnson taught at Little Falls high school, but did not know either of the victims. He knew Kifer's older brother who he called "nice kid."

Deputies
Byron Smith of rural Little Falls, Minn., is charged with two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of 17-year-old Nicholas Brady Schaeffel and 18-year-old Haile Kifer.
confronted Brady on Nov. 21, the night before he was killed, after a Hilton Road resident and neighbor of Johnson, reported a car "parked suspiciously" at the end of his driveway. Brady told the deputies he and Kifer had been driving around when their car ran out of gas and Kifer went to get more.

Officers questioned Brady in the back of a squad car and let him go, Johnson said his neighbors later told him. Deputies left the car and drove Brady into Little Falls and dropped him off.

The next day deputies discovered the red Eclipse after the bodies of Brady and Kifer were found in Smith's basement. The car was parked a few blocks from Smith's home and inside it they found prescriptions and coins believed to be from Johnson's house.

Smith's home had been repeatedly burglarized by teens looking for money for drugs, his friend John Lange said. Cash, guns and expensive camera gear had been taken over the last few months.

In October, Smith reported a burglary to police and said weapons and other items had been taken. He also mentioned two previous break-ins that he did not report because he didn't feel they were significant enough, Wetzel said.

Smith is retired from the U.S. State Department where he worked as a security engineer, a position responsible for security of embassies and diplomats around the world.

A joint funeral service will be held Saturday for the teens. Visitation is 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. Friday at Emblom Brenny Funeral Service, 900 First St. SE. Funeral is 10 a.m. Saturday at Living Hope Assembly of God Church, 17389 Haven Road. Burial will follow at Bear Head Cemetery.

Christopher Magan can be reached at 651-228-5557. Follow him at twitter.com/cmaganPiPress.

Cannibal 11-28-2012 06:56 PM

I have a very difficult time feeling sorry for anyone that would break into another person's home. In fact, I really don't feel sorry for those two asshole kids... **** em.

The dude that shot them did go over the line though and should spend the rest of his horrid existence in prison.

seclark 11-28-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 9160182)
Little Falls shootings: Drugs, other items reported stolen found in car teens used
By Christopher Magan
cmagan@pioneerpress.com
Posted: 11/28/2012 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 11/28/2012 05:12:28 PM CST

Cousins Nicholas Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, were shot to death Thanksgiving Day 2012 after allegedly breaking in to a man's Little Falls, Minn., home.


Authorities tied the teenage cousins killed by a homeowner after they broke into his Little Falls, Minn., house Thanksgiving Day to a similar break-in the night before.

Prescription drugs from the earlier burglary were found in the red Mitsubishi Eclipse that Nicholas Brady, 17, and Haile Kifer, 18, drove when they broke into Byron David Smith's home north of Little Falls, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said Wednesday, Nov. 28.

Deputies are now reviewing police reports to see if other burglaries are connected to the teens.

Investigators are trying to determine whether Kifer and Brady took the medication the night before they were killed from a home just south of Little Falls near where Kifer's family lives.

The homeowner, Richard L. Johnson, was out of town when his house was ransacked and pills and coins were taken, he said.

Smith was in his basement and has told authorities he heard the break-in at his house Nov. 22. He armed himself with a rifle and a revolver and waited in a chair.

Smith shot and wounded the teens as they came downstairs and then dispatched them with close range shots to the chest and head. He put their bodies in a workshop and police were not notified until a day later when a neighbor called police.

Smith was charged Monday with two counts of second-degree murder. He remains in the Morrison County Jail on $2 million bond.

Johnson, 68, a retired English teacher, was vacationing in Spain and returned home Nov. 25,
three days after the killings, to find his home in disarray. A crowbar he keeps outback was used to break a patio door to gain entry and cupboards and drawers were pulled open, he said.

All he found missing was some foreign coins, a box of pennies and some routine prescription drugs.

"These weren't painkillers or anything," he said.

Johnson taught at Little Falls high school, but did not know either of the victims. He knew Kifer's older brother who he called "nice kid."

Deputies
Byron Smith of rural Little Falls, Minn., is charged with two counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of 17-year-old Nicholas Brady Schaeffel and 18-year-old Haile Kifer.
confronted Brady on Nov. 21, the night before he was killed, after a Hilton Road resident and neighbor of Johnson, reported a car "parked suspiciously" at the end of his driveway. Brady told the deputies he and Kifer had been driving around when their car ran out of gas and Kifer went to get more.

Officers questioned Brady in the back of a squad car and let him go, Johnson said his neighbors later told him. Deputies left the car and drove Brady into Little Falls and dropped him off.

The next day deputies discovered the red Eclipse after the bodies of Brady and Kifer were found in Smith's basement. The car was parked a few blocks from Smith's home and inside it they found prescriptions and coins believed to be from Johnson's house.

Smith's home had been repeatedly burglarized by teens looking for money for drugs, his friend John Lange said. Cash, guns and expensive camera gear had been taken over the last few months.

In October, Smith reported a burglary to police and said weapons and other items had been taken. He also mentioned two previous break-ins that he did not report because he didn't feel they were significant enough, Wetzel said.

Smith is retired from the U.S. State Department where he worked as a security engineer, a position responsible for security of embassies and diplomats around the world.

A joint funeral service will be held Saturday for the teens. Visitation is 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. Friday at Emblom Brenny Funeral Service, 900 First St. SE. Funeral is 10 a.m. Saturday at Living Hope Assembly of God Church, 17389 Haven Road. Burial will follow at Bear Head Cemetery.

Christopher Magan can be reached at 651-228-5557. Follow him at twitter.com/cmaganPiPress.

kids just broke in to the wrong crazy old ****ers house. bad deal.
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unlurking 11-28-2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 9160182)
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Smith is retired from the U.S. State Department where he worked as a security engineer, a position responsible for security of embassies and diplomats around the world...

Damn, you know that Benghazi shit would never have gone down with this dude in charge!

blaise 11-28-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 9157466)
hold on there buddy. go back and reread my post. the guy isn't totally innocent. he probably needs mental help, but i don't think he's a criminal for shooting the intruders.

Yeah, he's a criminal for the second shot on the girl if nothing else. You can't go get a second gun, shoot her again to say you're "finishing" her and try and claim your life was in danger.

unlurking 11-28-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9160210)
Yeah, he's a criminal for the second shot on the girl if nothing else. You can't go get a second gun, shoot her again to say you're "finishing" her and try and claim your life was in danger.

Don't forget the "third" shot. After switching to a 22 and shooting her multiple times in the chest, he moved the body next to the first. Then he realized she was still alive and went for the kill shot under the chin.

I'm all for blowing away the baddies, but this was just an execution.

Rain Man 11-28-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 9160204)
Damn, you know that Benghazi shit would never have gone down with this dude in charge!


I bet a memo went out to his former embassies that they should look inside all of their basement closets.

ghak99 11-28-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 9160182)
Smith is retired from the U.S. State Department where he worked as a security engineer, a position responsible for security of embassies and diplomats around the world.

This seems interesting considering he's been a repeat victim of break-ins and the unusual terminology he used in hanging himself with his statement to the cops.

Dayze 11-28-2012 08:10 PM

this is why you never sspeak to the police.
based on what I've read, he's definitely not looking very good. But his comments pretty much ****ed him regardless of what he'll claim now or going forward.


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