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ptlyon 02-19-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9414967)
Drafting to please fans is a really terrible strategy.

...as it echos through an empty stadium...

RealSNR 02-19-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9414967)
Drafting to please fans is a really terrible strategy.

Drafting a non-QB just to avoid the risk for 30 years is also a really terrible strategy

htismaqe 02-19-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9414975)
...as it echos through an empty stadium...

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Deberg_1990 02-19-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9414967)
Drafting to please fans is a really terrible strategy.

It is, but in this case, its justified. There is no bigger team NEED than QB. No other player taken will help the Chiefs increase their win total.

Unforntunately, alot of organizations dont think this way. They would rather go for the "safe" choice like a linemen who will play 10 solid years rather than reach for the stars with a high risk/high reward type of player.

The Chiefs are going to tell us alot about themselves with this draft.

Buehler445 02-19-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9414967)
Drafting to please fans is a really terrible strategy.

So is running another POS quarterback out there.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9414979)
Drafting a non-QB just to avoid the risk for 30 years is also a really terrible strategy

You don't make up for past failures by over-reacting today.

I have no idea if Geno Smith is the right QB or not. And neither do the 32 GM's out there today. And neither do the draft talking heads here or in the media.

If the facts of the draft say that no QB is graded in the top 15 players, and you have the option to make a trade for an NFL-experienced QB that you think is worth the pick you'll be trading, you DON'T cave to pressure from fans who are essentially disappointed that this draft class doesn't match our position of need and they long to be like the cool kids who always seem to get the big splash on draft day.

If Reid and Dorsey think that Alex Smith for a #33 or #65 is a better bet for their plans than Geno Smith for the #1, then take Alex Smith. And the Cassel experience should have zero impact on that decision. And fans desire for selecting a #1 overall QB should have none.

Nothing.

DJ's left nut 02-19-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9414903)
After Luck, RGIII, and Wilson, every draft is going to look like shit.


**** all of them. If last year's draft never happened, this QB class looks similar to most classes.

Yup.

You have to go all the way back to 2011 to find a draft like this one. Or 2010 before that. Or if you remove those 2 from the equation, 2007.

Or 2006. Or 2005; before Aaron Rodgers was 'Aaron Rodgers'.

This may not be an elite year for QBs, true. But it's no worse than most.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9414975)
...as it echos through an empty stadium...

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9414987)
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

RealSNR 02-19-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415183)
Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-19-2013 10:17 AM

Great, another wanderer from DC lecturing us on team building.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9415001)
It is, but in this case, its justified. There is no bigger team NEED than QB. No other player taken will help the Chiefs increase their win total.

Unforntunately, alot of organizations dont think this way. They would rather go for the "safe" choice like a linemen who will play 10 solid years rather than reach for the stars with a high risk/high reward type of player.

The Chiefs are going to tell us alot about themselves with this draft.

Short term thinking. We don't need to fix everything in 1 year. No GM/Coach entering their first draft should be feel pressure to gamble on a QB at #1 that they wouldn't ever take in that slot in a different year, simply because a handful of fans are demanding to take the top QB with the top pick.

There are more options. Some people seem to be writing off all other options for any number of somewhat irrationally looking reasons, IMO.

I have no idea if Alex Smith is going to play better for Andy Reid than Geno Smith. But if Geno's risks are graded to be higher than the draft position we have... in comparison to the draft position we are in and the alternative options we have... then you are making the wrong choice to draft him with the #1 overall pick.

RealSNR 02-19-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415174)

If Reid and Dorsey think that Alex Smith for a #33 or #65 is a better bet for their plans than Geno Smith for the #1, then take Alex Smith. And the Cassel experience should have zero impact on that decision. And fans desire for selecting a #1 overall QB should have none.

Nothing.

Wrong again. The Cassel experience should ABSOLUTELY have impact on this situation.

You find the BEST QB AVAILABLE in whatever way you can. Trade, free agency, or draft. And you do what it takes to get that QB.

The only reason why you would take Alex Smith over Geno is not because you can get a better price, but ONLY IF he's a better QB than Geno is. And it's apparent from the lack of offers that teams don't believe he IS worth the trade at all, meaning he's probably not the best QB we can get in this offseason.

In 2009 we took the best QB value. It got us a subpar player. We'll be doing the same thing again... compromising value on the QUARTERBACK, THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL POSITIONS X100 on the freakin field.

jAZ 02-19-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9415200)
And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

htismaqe 02-19-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 9415183)
Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

Alex Smith isn't winning shit.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-19-2013 10:24 AM

The team won't win shit if they don't get a franchise QB, doesn't matter who the coach is. History and percentages are on our side for what we want them to do. Losing and 40 years of failure is what you seem to support.


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