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Mr. Laz 02-22-2013 01:56 PM

Jake Long vs Branden Albert
 
Apparently Long is going to be a FA


IF the 2 players contract demands are in the same general zip code, who would you rather have?

htismaqe 02-22-2013 01:58 PM

I'd rather have Albert.

Albert's health issues are rumored.

Long's health issues are public knowledge.

O.city 02-22-2013 01:59 PM

Whichever one gets me a Qb at 1 overall, don't really care.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2013 02:00 PM

Jake Long will probably be out of football in 5 years, if that.

Hootie 02-22-2013 02:00 PM

I don't think Jake Long was ever Willie Roaf good but the Saints basically gave us Roaf because he was "injured" and "would never recover."

CoMoChief 02-22-2013 02:02 PM

What inj problems does Long have?

-King- 02-22-2013 02:03 PM

Jake Long has progressively gotten worse in his career. His best year was his rookie year.

<table class="nograd stats_grid"><tbody><tr class="neg_pad"><th class="season">Season</th> <th class="player_name">Team</th> <th>G</th> <th>Pen</th> <th>Yds</th> <th>False Start</th> <th>Holding</th> <th>Sacks Allowed</th> <th>Yds</th> </tr> <tr class="alt"> <td class="desc">2008</td> <td class="desc">Dolphins</td> <td>16</td> <td>5</td> <td>40</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>2.50</td> <td>15.50</td> </tr> <tr class=""> <td class="desc">2009</td> <td class="desc">Dolphins</td> <td>16</td> <td>4</td> <td>25</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>5.00</td> <td>31.50</td> </tr> <tr class="alt"> <td class="desc">2010</td> <td class="desc">Dolphins</td> <td>16</td> <td>8</td> <td>60</td> <td>4</td> <td>4</td> <td>6.00</td> <td>34.00</td> </tr> <tr class=""> <td class="desc">2011</td> <td class="desc">Dolphins</td> <td>14</td> <td>5</td> <td>30</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> <td>5.50</td> <td>35.00</td> </tr> <tr class="alt"> <td class="desc">2012</td> <td class="desc">Dolphins</td> <td>12</td> <td>4</td> <td>28</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>7.00</td> <td>47.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

PaulAllen 02-22-2013 02:06 PM

eh, might as well stick with your guy. unless his injury is worse than we think

Demonpenz 02-22-2013 02:07 PM

Long would help with out struggling ground game .

saphojunkie 02-22-2013 02:11 PM

I feel like there should be a left tackle thread.

Here are the free agents this year, before franchise tags are applied:

Jake Long
Branden Albert
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith
Jermon Bushrod

htismaqe 02-22-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9425870)
What inj problems does Long have?

Back, shoulder, triceps. Those are the ones I can think of.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9425882)
Long would help with out struggling ground game .

ROFL

Ace Gunner 02-22-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9425886)
I feel like there should be a left tackle thread.

Here are the free agents this year, before franchise tags are applied:

Jake Long
Branden Albert
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith
Jermon Bushrod

and the only one I imagine might move to another team is Brandon Albert.

re the OP -- I'd take Albert.

Deberg_1990 02-22-2013 02:28 PM

Joeckel over both Albert or Long

-King- 02-22-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9425886)
I feel like there should be a left tackle thread.

Here are the free agents this year, before franchise tags are applied:

Jake Long
Branden Albert
Ryan Clady
Andre Smith
Jermon Bushrod

Andre Smith is a RT.

Bowser 02-22-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9425940)
Joeckel over both Albert or Long

Truefan alert!

BossChief 02-22-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9425940)
Joeckel over both Albert or Long

You would trade Albert and the first overall pick for Joeckel when we don't have a quarterback?

That's REALLY dumb.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9425959)
You would trade Albert and the first overall pick for Joeckel when we don't have a quarterback?

That's REALLY dumb.

He's being facetious.

O.city 02-22-2013 03:24 PM

If it means I don't have to see Joeckel walk across the stage with a Chiefs uniform in two months, yeah, I'll take Long.

58-4ever 02-22-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9425862)
I don't think Jake Long was ever Willie Roaf good but the Saints basically gave us Roaf because he was "injured" and "would never recover."

And because Joe Horn was boning his wife.

-King- 02-22-2013 03:47 PM

It's hilarious how sarcasm goes over peoples head sometimes LMAO

BlackHelicopters 02-22-2013 04:09 PM

BA.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9425871)
Jake Long has progressively gotten worse in his career. His best year was his rookie year.

<table class="nograd stats_grid"><tbody><tr class="neg_pad"><th class="season">Season</th><th class="player_name">Team</th><th>G</th><th>Pen</th><th>Yds</th><th>False Start</th><th>Holding</th><th>Sacks Allowed</th> <th>Yds</th></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="desc">2008</td><td class="desc">Dolphins</td><td>16</td><td>5</td><td>40</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>2.50</td> <td>15.50</td></tr><tr class=""><td class="desc">2009</td><td class="desc">Dolphins</td><td>16</td><td>4</td><td>25</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>5.00</td> <td>31.50</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="desc">2010</td><td class="desc">Dolphins</td><td>16</td><td>8</td><td>60</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>6.00</td> <td>34.00</td></tr><tr class=""><td class="desc">2011</td><td class="desc">Dolphins</td><td>14</td><td>5</td><td>30</td><td>4</td><td>1</td><td>5.50</td> <td>35.00</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td class="desc">2012</td><td class="desc">Dolphins</td><td>12</td><td>4</td><td>28</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>7.00</td> <td>47.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

Pro tip: The Dolphins kept a TE in to chip for Long on almost every passing down his rookie year.

The guy has always been a glorified RT.

Mama Hip Rockets 02-22-2013 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9425859)
Whichever one gets me a Qb at 1 overall, don't really care.

Word!

Fritz88 02-22-2013 05:18 PM

I'd take Long any time of the day.

Both have injury concerns (slight, nevertheless).

Pasta Little Brioni 02-22-2013 05:21 PM

I'd take Clady if he brought Manning's quick release with him

Fritz88 02-22-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9426317)
Pro tip: The Dolphins kept a TE in to chip for Long on almost every passing down his rookie year.

The guy has always been a glorified RT.

He man handled Hali it was embarrassing.
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BigMeatballDave 02-22-2013 05:26 PM

Long will get a larger contract than Albert.

Albert. It's a no-brainer.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426340)
He man handled Hali it was embarrassing.
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And last year he got absolutely destroyed by the Colts and Seahawks, who both field multiple rushers who are speed, speed and more speed.

There is no way I want Jake Long as our LT in a division where we play Von Miller twice a year.

philfree 02-22-2013 05:38 PM

Jake long would be for us like Tony Baselli(sp?) was to the Texans.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9426364)
Jake long would be for us like Tony Baselli(sp?) was to the Texans.

Broken?

Hootie 02-22-2013 05:42 PM

is Jordan Black still available?

philfree 02-22-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9426374)
Broken?

And a big mistake.

ChiTown 02-22-2013 05:43 PM

If you have a choice, better the Devil you know, than the one you don't.

Fritz88 02-22-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9426351)
And last year he got absolutely destroyed by the Colts and Seahawks, who both field multiple rushers who are speed, speed and more speed.

There is no way I want Jake Long as our LT in a division where we play Von Miller twice a year.

Still, better than Albert.

If it's going to cost the same for both, I'd take Long in a heart beat.

After he starts a few games for KC, you will be like

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...61/281/8d0.gif

BigMeatballDave 02-22-2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426391)
Still, better than Albert.

If it's going to cost the same for both, I'd take Long in a heart beat.

After he starts a few games for KC, you will be like

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...61/281/8d0.gif

:rolleyes:

AustinChief 02-22-2013 05:55 PM

Assuming they sign for exactly the same amount(ridiculous) It comes down to health. Period. If both are completely healthy then it's Jake Long by a mile. You have to have some serious blind stupidity to think otherwise. There isn't anyone outside of KC who wouldn't laugh their ass off at the rampant homerism in this thread. That being saying... it looks more and more like Long won't ever be back to full health for a full season AND it's likely he will demand much more money than Albert... two solid reasons to keep Albert.

Hootie 02-22-2013 05:57 PM

we may be a bunch of rampant homers

but you're a Michigan fan

so maybe there is a bit of rampant homerism for your undying love of Jake Long?

Hammock Parties 02-22-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426391)
Still, better than Albert.

The ****? No, asshole.

Albert only had one bad game last season and it wasn't NEARLY as bad as Long was in either of those two contests.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426416)
Assuming they sign for exactly the same amount(ridiculous) It comes down to health. Period. If both are completely healthy then it's Jake Long by a mile. You have to have some serious blind stupidity to think otherwise. There isn't anyone outside of KC who wouldn't laugh their ass off at the rampant homerism in this thread. That being saying... it looks more and more like Long won't ever be back to full health for a full season AND it's likely he will demand much more money than Albert... two solid reasons to keep Albert.

Yep.

1) It's not likely that Long will be fully healthy. He's showing signs of "breaking down".

2) Just based on their current salaries and what their cap number would be if tagged, Long could command money that's a good 150% of what Albert could get.

BigMeatballDave 02-22-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426416)
Assuming they sign for exactly the same amount(ridiculous) It comes down to health. Period. If both are completely healthy then it's Jake Long by a mile. You have to have some serious blind stupidity to think otherwise. There isn't anyone outside of KC who wouldn't laugh their ass off at the rampant homerism in this thread. That being saying... it looks more and more like Long won't ever be back to full health for a full season AND it's likely he will demand much more money than Albert... two solid reasons to keep Albert.

How is Long so much better?

They've both been protecting shitty QBs their entire careers.

Someone dig up sacks allowed.

AustinChief 02-22-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9426418)
we may be a bunch of rampant homers

but you're a Michigan fan

so maybe there is a bit of rampant homerism for your undying love of Jake Long?

Of course I admit to that... but let's be realistic. This thread would be laughed at by EVERY other fan of every other team out there. Due to injuries, Jake Long has fallen off quite a bit the last couple of years but IF HEALTHY he is still a long ways above Albert. Of course Albert should be cheaper, healthier and still has potential to grow so the smart move is to resign him unless he demands a crazy contract.

Brock 02-22-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426391)
Still, better than Albert.

If it's going to cost the same for both, I'd take Long in a heart beat.

After he starts a few games for KC, you will be like

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...61/281/8d0.gif

Long is no better than Albert. Not at all.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-22-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426428)
Of course I admit to that... but let's be realistic. This thread would be laughed at by EVERY other fan of every other team out there. Due to injuries, Jake Long has fallen off quite a bit the last couple of years but IF HEALTHY he is still a long ways above Albert. Of course Albert should be cheaper, healthier and still has potential to grow so the smart move is to resign him unless he demands a crazy contract.

Well no shit. The "name value" to the average fan means more than actual play on the field.

-King- 02-22-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426416)
Assuming they sign for exactly the same amount(ridiculous) It comes down to health. Period. If both are completely healthy then it's Jake Long by a mile. You have to have some serious blind stupidity to think otherwise. There isn't anyone outside of KC who wouldn't laugh their ass off at the rampant homerism in this thread. That being saying... it looks more and more like Long won't ever be back to full health for a full season AND it's likely he will demand much more money than Albert... two solid reasons to keep Albert.

Yeah...other than the fact that Long has gotten worse every single season since he turned pro.

Fun fact: In 2012, Branden Albert allowed 1 sack in 12 games.... in 12 games, Jake Long allowed 7 sacks.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9426442)
Yeah...other than the fact that Long has gotten worse every single season since he turned pro.

Fun fact: In 2012, Branden Albert allowed 1 sack in 12 games.... in 12 games, Jake Long allowed 7 sacks.

That's ****ing bullshit man. Jake Long actually only gave up negative one sack, the PFF guys just don't know the blocking assignments.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-22-2013 06:10 PM

But he's JAKE LONG!!!! Let that bum Alberts walk and take Jokell.

Hammock Parties 02-22-2013 06:11 PM

Jake Long has actually NEVER allowed a sack and has NEVER been beaten on any play...people just don't know what they're watching.

AustinChief 02-22-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9426442)
Yeah...other than the fact that Long has gotten worse every single season since he turned pro.

Fun fact: In 2012, Branden Albert allowed 1 sack in 12 games.... in 12 games, Jake Long allowed 7 sacks.

Due to injury, he can't stay healthy... and that is why you don't sign him unless that changes... otherwise you are taking a huge gamble. BUT if we are playing fantasyland and assuming they have the same contract numbers we may as well assume they are both completely healthy... and in that case you take Long, no contest.

Fritz88 02-22-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9426453)
Jake Long has actually NEVER allowed a sack and has NEVER been beaten on any play...people just don't know what they're watching.

I watched him make Hali his little bitch.

Fritz88 02-22-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426459)
Due to injury, he can't stay healthy... and that is why you don't sign him unless that changes... otherwise you are taking a huge gamble. BUT if we are playing fantasyland and assuming they have the same contract numbers we may as well assume they are both completely healthy... and in that case you take Long, no contest.

I'd say that Long has the same health issues as Albert.

Albert passing his physical does not mean that his back is 100%.

I want to re-sign Albert, but if they both command the same money, I will take Long.

Deberg_1990 02-22-2013 06:28 PM

They are basically the same guy. Brothers from different mothers.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426473)
Albert passing his physical does not mean that his back is 100%.

Says who?

The team has continuously said he had a back INJURY.

This idea that he has chronic back issues is pure media speculation and nothing more.

AustinChief 02-22-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 9426473)
I'd say that Long has the same health issues as Albert.

Albert passing his physical does not mean that his back is 100%.

I want to re-sign Albert, but if they both command the same money, I will take Long.

Actually if Albert still has back issues that is far worse than Long's bicep/tricep issue that have been his main problem. A good trainer could help Long but no trainer in the world can fix a dodgy back. BUT I don't think Albert's back is going to be an issue and I can't imagine he will try to demand the type of contract Long will want.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426505)
Actually if Albert still has back issues that is far worse than Long's bicep/tricep issue that have been his main problem. A good trainer could help Long but no trainer in the world can fix a dodgy back. BUT I don't think Albert's back is going to be an issue and I can't imagine he will try to demand the type of contract Long will want.

That really depends on the type of back issue, as not all back injuries are created equal.

I got in a car wreck my senior year of high school that left me in some pretty serious back pain for a few years. I essentially had to give up golf because I couldn't hit more than 30-40 balls at a time without pretty severe spasms. However, once I figured out the importance of stretching my iliopsoas group, that pain went away almost entirely. I'll have a flare up of sciatica about once a year, but nowhere near to the extent I used to.

Disc problems aren't fixable. Muscle issues are.

AustinChief 02-22-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9426602)
That really depends on the type of back issue, as not all back injuries are created equal.

I got in a car wreck my senior year of high school that left me in some pretty serious back pain for a few years. I essentially had to give up golf because I couldn't hit more than 30-40 balls at a time without pretty severe spasms. However, once I figured out the importance of stretching my iliopsoas group, that pain went away almost entirely. I'll have a flare up of sciatica about once a year, but nowhere near to the extent I used to.

Disc problems aren't fixable. Muscle issues are.

Completely agree. I am also NOT sold on the idea that Albert has any real back issues so it's all academic.

htismaqe 02-22-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9426613)
Completely agree. I am also NOT sold on the idea that Albert has any real back issues so it's all academic.

Exactly.

He had a back injury. Acute.

There's nothing out there (other than media speculation) that suggest he has back problems. Chronic.


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