Cassel post Haley\Muir...if he could improve on one thing..
 

ok so it sounds like Cassel is going to be the man next season. Yes, we all know CP says he sucks at life and isn't the answer. having said that he is going to be our QB it seems whether we like it or not.

I am not sold that our offense had to be so conservative because of Cassel. I think Haley had a lot to do with that. In hindsight I think we are going to see a lot of Haley's fail in comparison to a new coaching staff. Yes, Haley did some good things, I don't want to take that away from him. But I think the fact that he couldn't keep an OC on staff puts his thumbprint on this ridiculous offensive scheme we have seen for 3 years. Plus our O-line has been shit for 3 years as well. Pioli sounds like he finally realizes that fact so I expect to see more talent on that side of the ball next season.

That being said, if you could pick one area for Cassel to improve, (Lord knows there are plenty) what would it be?

Personally I think if he improved on his progressions he would eliminate a lot of the suck.

I'm not gonna say everything needs improvement.

But everything sucks ass.

Clipboard carrying.

Goes without saying but if you had to choose one thing he improved on what would that be? Arm strenght? Accuracy? Progressions? Yes, I know that answer to that is "Yes" but...

The improvement will be the return of JC

one thing?

be less of a worthless piece of shit

Yeah but that improves ANY QB

We need to hire John Elway so he can tell Cassel to pull the trigger

e need to improve on the time he spends on IR
he did a decent job this year, but I hope to see him spend the whole season on it next year

The problem is that if you could only get one area of improvement, you still have a QB that isn't fit to start in the UFL, so what the hell is the point?

He has to wind up to throw the ball more than 15 yards, he can't read defenses very well, he's not very accurate, he is a one read quarterback.

He's basically a much less mobile, slightly better throwing quarterback that Tim Tebow.

Pocket poise. But good luck teaching that to a chicken shit.

i like where this thread is going

Explain more, please

smallest set I can limit it to is two.

quicker and more accurate assessment of developments in the flow of play.
hitting receivers in stride to cut down on, at best momentum killing adjustment, at worst injury risking stasis.

****. I'mon my phone, but here goes. He absolutely crumbles at the first sign of pressure. You can see fear in his eyes. It affects his decision making, it's the biggest reason he locks onto receivers IMO, and it makes him panic ato the point it already hurts his poor accuracy. He's simply afraid of getting hit, and I don't think an all world line could fix it.

Morph into Joe Montana. Hell even if he's just pretending he's Joe Montana. Hell I'd even settle for Eli Manning.

Making decisions quicker.

He is too scared to do this, though.

He often times makes the correct decision, but not on time.

He needs to learn to get the ball out and stop worrying about making mistakes so much.

Stanzi was a 5th round draft pick and I think he has better qb skills than Cassel. Save for the experience.

Fair enough though I do think some of that has to do with the o-line and offensive play calling. I mean the Dude has had some of the worst O-line play we have seen.

He's not good from the pocket. He never has been, hell NE had to morph into basically a different offensive system to allow him to play. They had to basically go to a one read offense. And he still lead the league in sacks.

How do you explain the fact that when Orton came in the last three games, the offensive line gave up what 1 sack?

Against Clay Matthews, The Raiders dline, and Dumerville and Miller.

Better play calling between the 20's. A lot mroe play action I thought. I do agree Cassel hold the ball too long

not even close. We'vehad worse O-line play. But not only that, while I cocede play calling has been an issue, we're talking Cassel. And I can think of two dozen plays roughly off the top of my head where he's missed WIDE open receivers to take an ill advised checkdown. I know I'm not the only one.

I'd like him to practice at getting better & here is a way that may work out for the better of the good for every one involved.

Blind fold him, turn him around 10 times, line him up, and have him run strait into an aids forest.

If he comes out on the other side then he past a test.

Turn him around again and this time set the forest on fire and have him run through it again.

Makes it through again then his skill set is better than we assume.

Oh I agree. But as I said I am not convinced that's all him. Could be. But I think Haley could very well have dictated that as well in a concern to play conservative and not chance a turnover. We won't know that for sure until next season, of course but that's my hope anyway.

That's not entirely accurate.

They ran their offense out of the shotgun and spread teams out more.

He was actually coached to take sacks.

It was a device being used to try to help him continue to go through his progressions. When it stopped working around mid season, they started telling him to just throw it away after his second read because they had basically given up on trying to get him to do more than that.

That's why Moss, Wekler and his backs had the lions share of his yards.

If you are in a 2 read and dump offense and those guys are Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk...you can be perceived as pretty good when you really aren't forced to look for anybody else.

Lipstick meet pig.

Here we are, 3 years later and he hasn't gotten any better.

I don't even care if he starts the year as the starter, but if he is still in that capacity by game 5 or 6, this team can drink antifreeze till he is gone.

The bottom line is that the O-Line needs improvements, but they are not as bad as Cassel makes them look.

They can be described as adequate.

Matt Cassel can not.

that's a stretch, but hey, what's life without hope? I won't fault you for that.

Adequate? Hardly. Our O-line suckes ass. We couldn't pick up short yardage to save our lives.

Where is everyone getting the idea that Cassel wil be QB? Just because it's happened before?

run protection has nothing to do with pass protection. Nothing. 1 sack in the last 3 games. Same line. Different QB.

We are talking about pass protection and Matt Cassel.

Everyone knows this team is not built for power.

you're not mad at me about that thread the other night, are you pops?

I know the numbers Orton has put up compare to Cassel, but Orton just operates more effectively in and out of the pocket - he makes plays where Cassel folds. Orton has some upside, Cassel has none.

This.

Only that you were late in it's creation, so I missed the damn party.

Damn kid.....

We couldn't pick up short yardage, because our oline is a zone blocking oline. Light, quick oline.

I'm not saying we have an all world oline, but take the true fan glasses off pete. Replace the C and RT and it would be solid. That's with Lilja at LG, who should probably be upgraded.

Well least we don't have this d-bag anymore vvvvvv
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I can't argue with that...

We know what Cassel is.

I'm a little interested in seeing what Orton could do with the weapons we could have on the field next year. In CHicago and Denver, he never had what he could have here next year.

Do I think he could win a SB? No
Playoff game? Sure

That said, he needs to be a stop gap.

Better pocket awareness
Going through his reads quicker, and not locking onto 1 WR (Bowe).
Know where the first down markers are

Let me say this, congrats Pete on starting a thread I actually felt like responding to thatzs Chiefs related. It's been awhile.

With just a right tackle upgrade and anybody but Cassel playing quarterback, we have one of the top 10 lines in the league.

No way....not even ****ing close.

Agreed. But why can't Pioli just say, "I could've been wrong about Cassel, so let's bring back Orton & simply see who are starter will be after training camp." Competition right? There's not much chance we can draft the QB of the future this draft, so it only makes sense to use Orton as that stop-gap until then.

That's what I don't get. Why would Pioli hitch his wagon to Cassel of all people?

Dunno bro.


I actually have mixed emotions on what Pioli will do this offseason. I really don't think Romeo wants Cassel. I know his presser and all, but his comments during the season were a little different.

I would like to see what Orton can do. Call me crazy. I've always thought he was alot better than people give him credit for.

I'd prefer Orton as well.

Albert - almost made the probowl
Lilja - had a down year, but I think that was more due to a declining Weigmann than his own play eroding.
Hudson - showed to be a stud interior linemen in limited action
Asamoah - had a great year. Handled Suh and many other good DT on single blocks
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Those 4 are solid, but we should probably get Liljas replacement in line as this is the last year of his contract iirc and he is getting close to "that point"

IMO we can upgrade this OL big time with a mid rounder.

IMO Orton isn't the stinky turd some say he is. He throws the ball well, seems pretty smart football wise, and wants to win.

He's kinda got the shaft everywhere he has been. Granted in Denver he had a bad record, but I don't put that all on him.

We need a RT, yes...I am not sold on Lilja and we have yet to see Hudson really play a lot so jury is still out there.

It was said in the draft forum by of all people Sac, but if we grabbed Konz in the first and a RT somewhere we would have a great oline.

Can we trade down to do that and pick up some more picks?

One thing? Everything.

Hudson played really well against Pitt and the Bears.

Sorry if this is old as I've said it in alot of other threads but here would be my offseason.

Decide what to do with Hudson. C or LG.

If it's C, grab Ben Grubbs or Carl Nicks, whichever one hits FA. Draft the best RT available in the second round. Draft BPA in the first round. Sign Orton.

Granted this is if you arent trading up to get one of the big two QBS

A line of

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Nate Potter would be pretty salty IMO.

Sure sure. If someone is willing I damn sure would. Say down to the early 20s.

We could have 5 first or second rounders on the OL and sac would want us to spend 2 more every year.

If we traded up to second overall, the guy would be hoping for Kalil.

I know I know.

The one thing he can improve on: Watching some other QB start

Picking one thing to fix with Cassel is like believing an oil change can get a Pinto running like brand new. He doesn't move his protections. He doesn't have a sufficient arm to get the ball downfield nor does he trust himself to make those throws. He can't read his progressions. He holds on to the ball too long.

Stop making excuses with the O-line. The pressure is coming from in front of him usually with Richardson. Funny how it wasn't an issue when Orton and Palko. Good QBs avoid the pressure and get rid of the ball or find an open receiver.

If somebody good falls to us, we could move down to 20 or so and I bet Riley Reiff is still on the board.

At that point, he would be a pretty darn good pick.

Especially if we could add a future #1 by moving down.

ah, just need a little Slick 50!

He could be serviceable if his sphincter didn't turn into Old Faithful at the first hint of pressure. I don't think he's fixable.
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If someone offers us a number 1 to move down, I'd do it for sure.

Move down, take Konz. Use that first next year as ammo to move up and take Barkley.

All of Cassels problems basically boil down to one thing. He can't stay calm in the pocket when pressure comes.

When he stays poised in the pocket he can be servicable.

It's hard to forget that ripping Orton put on us last year. Maybe I have a short memory, but I can't recall Cassel ever having a game like that for us. If Orton is no good, why did the Bears & Boys want him when he was cut by the Donks? Orton may be pretty good at play action when Charles comes back healthy.

Cassel is a great QB when everything around him unfolds perfectly and his #1 receiver is open.

If any of that doesn't happen, it's a roll of the loaded dice.

If Orton isn't re-signed, StanziMania will be running wild by this time next year.

I think Reiff would upgrade this line more so than Konz.

Albert
Lilja
Hudson
Asamoah
Reiff

I'm not s big fan of Reiff because of where we are picking, if we made the playoffs and ended up picking early to mid 20s, I'd be vocal about Reiff.

He will be one of the better right tackles in the NFL and gives you a guy that can be a serviceable left tackle if you are in a pinch...you wouldn't need to "hide him" by any means.

Either scenario is acceptable, I just have my bias.

Thta would be fine. I'd go one farther and replace Lilja with one of the guys I said earlier. Grubbs or Nicks.

Would JIMP.

I didn't think Lilja was all that good this year. I thought he got mowed over a lot but that could have something to do with our C being blown over by a whiff of bad breath.

Cassholes a gunshy birddog.

Pocket awareness, or poise like someone pointed out. When things get too tight in there he panics, and starts dancing around like a chimp.

If it was one thing, this would not be a thread.

:banghead:

Poise, Arm. Non-use of depends. Self reflection would equal heart, IMO/

I think pocket poise = reading progressions...all amounts to the same thing.

Toughness ... everyone talks about how tough he is but he plays scared in the pocket.

Completing the pass must be more important than avoiding the hit. One of the first plays Orton made was a blitz on the backside. Orton saw the blitz and turn right into and threw the ball just like he was supposed to. He took a shot to the chin for his trouble. THAT ... is what Cassel doesn't like to do. He would of seen the blitz and pulled the ball down and curled up into the fetal position or tried to run. Defenses see that and know that if they blitz that Cassel will get spooked and not even try the pass. Making a defense pay when they blitz is a hugh help to the offense.

So again, i choose Toughness ... be less worried about getting hit than he is finding the receiver and completing the pass.

btw - that is what helped Cassel when he got into the fight during a game with Haley imo. Cassel was too busy being pissed to be as nervous/scared and he played better.

I disagree.

Poise is extending plays, not shitting if one rusher gets by.

Progression is how quick to next possibility as well as how many possibilities with 2 seconds left.

IMHO.

well ... having poise LEADS to better progession

they are tied together

Abandon the 3 step drop and catch a bus out of town.