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B14ckmon 01-27-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9355158)
And nearly everyone around here, including me, has said as much.

I think he compares very favorably to Rogers at the same stage, with Geno having better accuracy and pocket presence. Rogers was a bit more of a gun slinger, but their games, size, athletic ability, arm, etc. are all very similar.

I believe what Weinke was stating was that Geno has that ability to extend a play with his athleticism while still being able to read the defense and take the ball downfield as Griffin did.

However, like Rogers, Geno is a pocket passer that is looking to get the ball downfield with his arm and using his legs only as a last resort when the pocket collapses. If you've watched Rogers at Green Bay at all over the past couple of years and have also watched Geno at WVU, the similarities in their games are amazingly close.

Agree on all points. And I think if you are looking for a franchise QB, you are better off with a Aaron Rodgers type player over a high risk player like Wilson. Running QBs are great at confusing the defense, but if you can read defenses well, you don't need to confuse them.

I hate to see what will happen to Johnny Manziel. That kid if going to get Suh'd into oblivion.

NJChiefsFan 01-27-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9355186)
Agree on all points. And I think if you are looking for a franchise QB, you are better off with a Aaron Rodgers type player over a high risk player like Wilson. Running QBs are great at confusing the defense, but if you can read defenses well, you don't need to confuse them.

I hate to see what will happen to Johnny Manziel. That kid if going to get Suh'd into oblivion.

I think one of the cool things about RG3/Wilson/Kapernick is that they have shown an ability to throw the ball. Especially with RG3, he just needs to wake up and also have his coach not build in so many runs for him. These types of QBs are changing in the respect that they are QB's that are athletic instead of past QB's that were more athletes playing QB. I do agree however, that having a QB with Rodgers style is probably the ideal blend, especially from an anxiety perspective.

SAUTO 01-27-2013 12:58 PM

I wish manziel would never be talked about again. **** that douche
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Saccopoo 01-27-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9355186)
Agree on all points. And I think if you are looking for a franchise QB, you are better off with a Aaron Rodgers type player over a high risk player like Wilson. Running QBs are great at confusing the defense, but if you can read defenses well, you don't need to confuse them.

I hate to see what will happen to Johnny Manziel. That kid if going to get Suh'd into oblivion.

The last guy to do it effectively was Fran Tarkenton. Manziel looks just like Frantic Fran on the field. It's a hoot to watch, but defenses are just so fast at the next level. Go ask Griffin and Vick for confirmation on that. Though, Fran Jr. has some crazy instincts.

If you want to see a guy who I think is even better than Manziel in the same type of role, go look at Utah State's Chuckie Keeton. He put up numbers that were almost identical to Manziel (with Manziel getting more on the ground) and his Aggie team went 11-2 - and that's after losing two legit studs in Robert Turbin and Bobby Wagner (both of whom had very good rookie seasons for Seattle in 2012). Keeton is the real deal.

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However, I still am firmly believing that Geno's game/style/fee/size/everything is perfectly suited for the NFL game.

keg in kc 01-27-2013 01:02 PM

I think people making the RG3 comparison are only doing so in terms of what he (Geno) does in the pocket and how he throws the football. Nobody is saying he can run like Griffin. And, frankly, RG3 won't be running like that, either, as he grows at the NFL level.

Griffin's polish as a passer coming out was woefully underappreciated by the general public, and his ability to pass has been similarly overshadowed by his running at the pro level. He is *not* a 'running quarterback'. He's not just a great athlete behind center. He's a very good passer and he's a very good decision maker. And that's how Geno is similar.

The comparison of Geno to Rodgers is an apt one, but I would also compare Griffin to Rodgers as well. That's the kind of quarterback he'll be down the road. He's not going to be Michael Vick, he's a pocket passer who happens to have the ability to run.

B14ckmon 01-27-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9355209)
I think one of the cool things about RG3/Wilson/Kapernick is that they have shown an ability to throw the ball. Especially with RG3, he just needs to wake up and also have his coach not build in so many runs for him. These types of QBs are changing in the respect that they are QB's that are athletic instead of past QB's that were more athletes playing QB. I do agree however, that having a QB with Rodgers style is probably the ideal blend, especially from an anxiety perspective.

This is why I really like Tajh Boyd. The kid put up 500 yard and 10 rushing TDs, but also threw 36/13 at 67%. He was just insane against LSU.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9355213)
If you want to see a guy who I think is even better than Manziel in the same type of role, go look at Utah State's Chuckie Keeton. He put up numbers that were almost identical to Manziel (with Manziel getting more on the ground) and his Aggie team went 11-2 - and that's after losing two legit studs in Robert Turbin and Bobby Wagner (both of whom had very good rookie seasons for Seattle in 2012). Keeton is the real deal.

Yea I have been watching him since he came out of highschool. He is still a bit raw and I haven't seen him do much against a good defense yet.

hometeam 01-27-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9355213)
The last guy to do it effectively was Fran Tarkenton. Manziel looks just like Frantic Fran on the field.


This. And the only reason he could was because the guys chasing him all smoked and ate gravy all day. Todays hyperbaric chamber sleeping, 100% nutrition planning, perfect weight regimen, groomed from birth players aint playin that shit no more~

silver5liter 01-28-2013 06:08 PM

Bump

O.city 01-28-2013 06:10 PM

Seems Mort said he thinks we are taking a QB. Hopefully the tides starts to turn. This is usually the time it starts to happen.

Jerm 01-28-2013 06:13 PM

Its obvious to me that its either Joeckel or Geno at this point...only options...

No other QB is even worth discussing at #1...

the Talking Can 01-28-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9359327)
Seems Mort said he thinks we are taking a QB. Hopefully the tides starts to turn. This is usually the time it starts to happen.

i love this shit


we've never been in a position to even have rumors like this..

if we lock into Smith a couple weeks before the draft, it will be like one long mardi gras until the draft...article after article about the Chiefs and a QB

keg in kc 01-28-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9359341)
i love this shit


we've never been in a position to even have rumors like this..

if we lock into Smith a couple weeks before the draft, it will be like one long mardi gras until the draft...article after article about the Chiefs and a QB

And boy oh boy will the true fan tears flow.

"If he's a bust it's the worst pick ever!"

O.city 01-28-2013 06:20 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBuonxKCcAECMKT.jpg:large


Looks like he's been working pretty hard.

the Talking Can 01-28-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9359343)
And boy oh boy will the true fan tears flow.

"If he's a bust it's the worst pick ever!"

I will swing the largest vorpal blade in ****ing history...

no one is going to harsh that buzz...I double dog dare you...i will hunt them down

SAUTO 01-28-2013 06:20 PM

It's got to be this guy. It just does
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