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the Talking Can 12-28-2012 08:08 PM

i have more thoughts about it, but 'awesome' will suffice for now (even though it isn't the confidant, complex movie that was inglorious basterds...easily his most mature work)

the first 3rd was weak by tarantino standards, but when dicaprio (great casting, he ate it up) and candieland arrive the movie takes off

he's brilliant at making movies that are both unquestionably fun entertainments and arguments about our relationship to those entertainments...(and i was never much of a fan until basterds)

fox was a bad ass..."the d is silent, hillbilly"


complete tangent: just walked in to the last 20 mins of phantom menace...absolutely one of the worst, most embarrassingly bad movies ever made...jaw droppingly, offensively bad

Reaper16 12-28-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9246956)
i have more thoughts about it, but 'awesome' will suffice for now (even though it isn't the confidant, complex movie that was inglorious basterds...easily his most mature work)

the first 3rd was weak by tarantino standards, but when dicaprio (great casting, he ate it up) and candieland arrive the movie takes off

he's brilliant at making movies that are both unquestionably fun entertainments and arguments about our relationship to those entertainments...(and i was never much of a fan until basterds)

fox was a bad ass..."the d is silent, hillbilly"

Well said.

the Talking Can 12-28-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9246988)
Well said.

what has brought me around on tarantino after the last two movies is his understanding and insistence that 'pulp fictions'/genres/low culture have complicated arguments and politics embedded in them...which is obvious, of course, but mostly only in retrospect (culturally); and this allows him to make powerfully fun/instigating movies simply in part by leveraging the already existing cultural arguments within genre (which at this point most in the audience at least sense, even if they couldn't articulate)

i used to think he was cynical in this appropriation...most people who hate him do, but now I think he was just an immature film maker showing off

basterds is a complex, moral work...as much as any made in the last decade...django isn't quite that, but it is more fun and exhilarating (as it deals with america's great wound, instead of europe's)

there was a palpable charge in the theatre at the end...hence my babbling

listopencil 01-01-2013 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 9202262)
Didn't see the Kill Bill...:)

What? You never saw Kill Bill? If you like old kung fu movies AT ALL. I mean if you were ever entertained by them as a kid, or thought Bruce Lee was cool, you should go grab the first one. It is very well done.

listopencil 01-01-2013 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9244761)
I think its a lesser QT work. It's very entertaining, that's for sure. And to me it doesn't feel as long as its running time.

But its really nothing more than its spaghetti western influence. The characters are paper-thin. It's a cartoon. It's dripping with white guilt. But it's very well-made.

Its controversy is its most powerful (only?) artistic statement. You and the others in your audience might find yourselves laughing at awkward times, or laughing at places that you have to question yourselves about later. The conversations that will arise from this film about what is OK to laugh at and what isn't is Django Unchained's signature piece of artistic merit.


That is exactly what I expected from the trailers. I do love the old Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns though. I plan to go see it this Thursday and be entertained.

Deberg_1990 01-01-2013 11:08 AM

QT has been riffing on the Spaghetti Western thing since Kill Bill. Mainly Vol. 2. which had many Spaghetti Western elements.

Predarat 01-01-2013 11:35 AM

Spaghetti Westerns are awesome, so I think I will like this one. I've got one more to watch in re watching the Dollars Trilogy again. A Few Dollars More is one of the more underrated Westerns, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly gets most of the credit in that trilogy, and yes it is the best but Few Dollars More is a great movie on its own as well. Cannot wait to see Django, I love Tarrantino and Spaghetti Westerns so this sounds like a great combo.

Kyle DeLexus 01-01-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9245683)
From what I have read/heard, Smith didn't turn down the role, QT decided he wasn't right for it.

From what I read, Smith couldn't commit due to it not being exactly the right fit, but was open to talking to QT about it again if he couldn't find someone else.

I think I heard that Tarantino talked to Chris Tucker before finding Foxx. That would have been terrible.

Deberg_1990 01-01-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 9264418)

I think I heard that Tarantino talked to Chris Tucker before finding Foxx. That would have been terrible.

heh, that would have been different, but he has worked with QT before. I think hes even done a few dramatic roles? Dead Presidents..Silver Linings Playbook

Deberg_1990 01-02-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9247034)
what has brought me around on tarantino after the last two movies is his understanding and insistence that 'pulp fictions'/genres/low culture have complicated arguments and politics embedded in them...which is obvious, of course, but mostly only in retrospect (culturally); and this allows him to make powerfully fun/instigating movies simply in part by leveraging the already existing cultural arguments within genre (which at this point most in the audience at least sense, even if they couldn't articulate)

i used to think he was cynical in this appropriation...most people who hate him do, but now I think he was just an immature film maker showing off

basterds is a complex, moral work...as much as any made in the last decade...django isn't quite that, but it is more fun and exhilarating (as it deals with america's great wound, instead of europe's)

there was a palpable charge in the theatre at the end...hence my babbling

Yep.....you nailed it. Just got through watching it. Great flick. IMO not as good as Basterds or Kill Bill, but damn close. Maybe it will grow on me more over time. I thought it was a little overlong, probably could have used about 15 minutes trim. The QT cameo scene was a little unnecessary.

Interesting how hes empowering the traditionally exploited. What a charge. great fun.

Thig Lyfe 01-02-2013 11:41 PM

I gotta say, Will Smith was barely even in this movie.

Deberg_1990 01-03-2013 12:34 AM

oh yea, it was fun trying to spot the cameo characters..

I saw Tom Wopat, Don Johnson, Amber Tamblyn, The dude from Breaking Away, Goggins, Franco Nero, Remar and about a dozen others that ive seen around in B movies from time to time.

But DiCaprio and Samual L Jackson ate this up. Great performances.

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9272161)
I gotta say, Will Smith was barely even in this movie.

ROFLROFL

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:24 AM

Tombstone rapes this film.

TimeForWasp 01-03-2013 04:55 AM

I loved the part Christoph Waltz played.


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