2014 NFL Combine - Players - The DT
 

Defensive Tackles:

Jay Bromley, Syracuse
6'3", 306 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 26
40: 5.06
Vertical: 33.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.92

Ryan Carrethers, Arkansas State
6'1", 337 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.47
Vertical: 7'4"
Broad: 26"
3 Cone: 7.89

Deandre Coleman, California
6'5", 314 lb., 34 3/8" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
6'1", 285 lb., 32 5/8" arms
Bench: 35
40: 4.68
Vertical: 32"
Broad: 9'8"
3 Cone: 7.11

Dominique Easley, Florida
6'2", 288 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 26
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech
6'1", 334 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.27
Vertical: 28"
Broad: 7'8"
3 Cone: 7.81

Ego Ferguson, LSU
6'3", 315 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 24
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Ra'shede Hageman Minnesota
6'6", 310 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.02
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.87

Kerry Hyder, Texas Tech
6'2", 290 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.10
Vertical: 29.5"
Broad: 9'0"
3 Cone: 7.23

Anthony Johnson, LSU
6'2", 308 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 20
40: 5.24
Vertical: 24.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.93

Daquan Jones, Penn State
6'4", 322 lb., 33 1/2" arms
Bench: 21
40: 5.35
Vertical: 27.5"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: 7.16

Zach Kerr, Delaware
6'1", 326 lb., 32 7/8" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.08
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Dan McCullers, Tennessee
6'7", 352 lb., 36 5/8" arms
Bench: 27
40: DNP
Vertical: 20.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: DNP

Louis Nix, Notre Dame
6'2", 331 lb., 33" arms
Bench: DNP
40: 5.42
Vertical: 25.5"
Broad: 8'1"
3 Cone: 8.29

Tenny Palepoi, Utah
6'1", 298 lb., 30 1/2" arms
Bench: 31
40: 5.10
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 9'3"
3 Cone: 7.67

Mike Pennel, CSU-Pueblo
6'4", 332 lb., 33 3/8" arms
Bench: 23
40: 5.23
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: 7.94

Kelcy Quarles, South Carolina
6'4", 297 lb., 33 1/4" arms
Bench: 27
40: 5.03
Vertical: 23.5"
Broad: 8'6"
3 Cone: DNP

Caraun Reid, Princeton
6'2", 302 lb., 33" arms
Bench: 20
40: 4.91
Vertical: 26.5"
Broad: 8'10"
3 Cone: 7.59"

Shamar Stephen, Connecticut
6'5", 309 lb., 33 1/8" arms
Bench: 25
40: 5.25
Vertical: 30.5"
Broad: 8'7"
3 Cone: DNP

Will Sutton, Arizona State
6'0", 303 lb., 31 1/4" arms
Bench: 24
40: 5.36
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad: 8'3"
3 Cone: 7.93

Robert Thomas, Arkansas
6'1", 327 lb., 33 7/8" arms
Bench: 32
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Khyri Thornton, Southern Mississippi
6'3", 304 lb., 32 1/2" arms
Bench: 28
40: 5.03
Vertical: 29"
Broad: 9'4"
3 Cone: 7.83

Brent Urban, Virginia
6'7", 295 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Chris Whaley, Texas
6'3", 269 lb., 32 1/8" arms
Bench: DNP
40: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad: DNP
3 Cone: DNP

Kerry Wynn, Richmond
6'5", 266 lb., 31 3/4" arms
Bench: 31
40: 4.97
Vertical: 34"
Broad: 9'5"
3 Cone: DNP

Easily the winner of the Combine for defensive tackles was Pittsburgh's Aaron Donald as he posted the best times for the Bench, 40, Broad and 3 Cone drills.

Second place goes to Ra'shede Hageman of Minnesota, where he had the best vertical (a ridiculous 35.5" at 6'6", 310 lb.), second best Bench and Broad.

Hageman, with his size and length combine with his strength and leaping ability, would translate very nicely to a five tech 34 DE as utilized by the Chiefs.

Really wanted to see Tuitt work out, too bad he had a broken bone in his foot though.

I was more impressed with Zach Kerr than I was with Hageman. 5.08 40 at 326 pounds and a 28.5" vert. That's a lot of weight to move.

Quarles would be a great 4/5 round pick

Quarles is said to be a possible 2nd round pick now.

Look out for Will Sutton. He has the same kind of game Aaron Donad does. Big difference is that ASU had him put on weight last year which took away from his speed. He's lost a lot of that weight and in return gained some his quickness back. We have met with this guy twice.

Yeah! Let's draft another 5T!

Here is my case for Louis Nix

The chiefs have depth at just about every position on the chiefs roster other than NT and possibly kicker/punter (though the team could pick someone up off the street easily).

-both Fisher and Stephenson can play LT
-Kush can backup Center, team has a number of players who can play guard
-team has depth at QB, RB, TE, and WR.
-team has a number of players at DE
-poor depth with Moses at OLB, some depth at ILB
-number of players who could rotate at DB
-number of players who can play kick/punt returner if need be.

If Poe is injured, who would play NT? Really cant see Vance Walker or Jay Howard filling that role. Bailey and Catapano are too small. Maybe its Cory Grissom or someone else that they bring in.

In either case, I think its critical that the team find a backup NT. It seems to be the 1 position that the team currently has 0 depth. Team cant expect Poe to play another 1000+ snaps injury free.

A good game to watch of Nix would be the 2013 BCS championship game against Alabama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8

Zach Kerr.:)

probably. This is the only video I've seen of him, and his level of competition really concerns me.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/zach...s-albany-2013/

He was a transfer from Maryland. 320+ pound man who was more athletic than the majority of this DT class excluding, of course, Aaron Donald. Brings up images of Vince Wilfork, IMO. Similar size and skillset. He offers pass rushing upside that Nix doesn't really have.

I know the reports say that about him, but I just watched Zach Kerr's 1 game video right after watching Nix against Alabama in the 2013 bcs, and I liked Nix better. nix was able to consistently walk his man back...and that is against NFL caliber offensive lineman.

I also wonder what Kerr's playing weight was. He weighed 334 at the east west shrine game and was invisible all week. I've seen articles that said his playing weight was 310. It also shows that the step up in competition (east west shrine game) is a legitimate concern.

Mike Pennel is a guy I hope the chiefs bring in as a UDFA. I dont care about his slow 40 time. I like the fact that he had a better vertical and broad jump than any of the fatties at the combine. That shows lower body strength and explosion. He has nice size. Also like this part:

here is a little video of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNb2ZZUO2Ps

his frame allows him to carry weight really well....though he needs a lot of technique work. good guy to stick on the PS.

Ra'shede Hageman Minnesota
6'6", 310 lb., 34 1/4" arms
Bench: 32
40: 5.02
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad: 9'6"
3 Cone: 7.87

:thumb: Would be great next to Poe.

With all of those WRs in the draft, watch us take a 5T...

i agree.

I'm as big of a Hageman fan as anyone, but if Aaron Donald is there, he should be our pick. I know, I know, defensive lineman.

But thats a Geno Atkins type disruptor. Put him next to Poe and your pass rush starts looking a whole lot better, real fast.

He's a guy you take and fit your scheme to him. There's no way he'll be there when we pick, but damn.

This. He would be the perfect weapon to help Sutton counter Peyton Manning. Should remove any possibility of Manning getting a comfortable pocket to step up into.

Donald, Poe, Walker

With Catapano, Devito, Bailey and 1 more would make a really really solid rotation.

:clap:

I'd take Hageman, but he's more of a project and I'm not up for that shit anymore.

Imagine had we taken Sheldon last year, then Donald this year.

**** me.

Richardson, Poe, Donald.

3 defensive linemen in 3 consecutive years? Not **** me....**** that.

3 guys that could wreck shit on the DL and are all under the age of 26.

It would be an embarrassment of riches, but you'd have 1 on 1 match ups with two of those guys each down. Someone is getting there.

You gotta have DBs that can give them enough time to do it.

It seems its easier to find competent DB's elsewhere than it is to find dominant DL.

Of course the Chiefs and DL haven't exactly been a match made in heaven.

And you'd be signing them all to huge deals 3 years in a row.

If Donald falls, fine.

NO ****ING WAY am I taking Hageman.

So? Thats the strength of your team (in that scenario) might as well keep it all together.

He hasn't been getting as much play as I thought he would, with his athleticism. Too bad. Oh well.

Anyone similar to Poe in this draft?

With that much money tied up in the d-line, you might have to play defense with only 10 men on the field...

With potentially the power of that DL, you probably could.

As I've said before, Donald is undersized to play a 3-4DE. I know many here see him as a 3 tech. Nonetheless, I dont see him as a fit for the chiefs defense.

When you're only selecting guys that "fit" your defense, you're bound to miss out on good football players.

If a guy is that talented, fit your scheme to him. It's not as if he'd sit in the 3 tech fr games on end. We've been thru this.

we have been through this.

1. the chiefs have already gone on record that they are not changing the scheme.

2. a defense is supposed to work as a unit like a puzzle. Your advocating changing the other puzzle pieces for the benefit of your 1 piece.

Yeah, we only run the 3-4.:spock:

If we sat in a 34 base every down, you'd hav a point. We just signed a free agent dl that doesn't really "fit" the 34 either.

@ 305 lbs he fits a lot better than a just under 6'1'' 285 lb under 33" arm Aaron Donald.

For those of you who are wanting Aaron Donald, why couldnt the chiefs just use Tamba Hali in that capacity? (inside on pass rushing downs)

Hali is about the same size, played DT in college, and has shown NFL pass rushing ability. Then the chiefs could find a younger/quicker pass rusher for the edge (OLB). It would be a win/win. Hali doesnt really have the speed to bend the edge anymore (he wins on hustle and technique), but is still very experienced and would provide more immediate production than a rookie.

Aaron Donald would get his ass kicked as a five tech. Period.

That'd be awesome if it were a technique KC played with great frequency.


It amazes me how you refuse to learn anything. You make some excellent posts and then get stuck into these ****ing principles from the 90s that even Crennel doesn't adhere to.

I just don't get it.

what is the data behind this? How many plays (or what percent of plays) did the chiefs use a 5-tech for the 2013 season? I suspect that the chiefs did use a 5-tech with great frequency.

False. Devito played less than 40% of the defensive snaps last year and he was our "starting" LDE 5-tech.

Jackson played a little more at 45% of the snaps, he had a few more opportunities in sub packages than Devito did before our coaches decided that he sucked at pass rushing.

We spent a hell of a lot more time in sub packages than we did in our "base" 3-4 defense, and even then our DEs didn't always line up as true 5-techs.

Kendrick Lewis led the team with 94% of the defensive snaps.:banghead:

Sutton often refers to our "base" defense as "multiples".

While we employ a majority 30-front, we're moving guys all over the place.

Yup, which is why the people who hate on Donald and keep saying he wouldn't have a place on this defense or would be a bad fit annoy the hell out of me.:shake:

Only constants in the front 7 last year were Johnson, Hali, Poe, and Houston (when healthy). I guess you could throw Berry in there too.

Well, Sutton came from the Jets. One only has to watch the Jets for about 2 quarters before they get it.

The Jets run about as many defensive sets as any team ever has. They employ both 1 and 2-gap. They run 3-4, they run 4-3 under. The coaching staff has borrowed from pretty much ever stop they've been at and they have experience with New England's style as well as the earlier Parcell's method.

And I'd MUCH rather have Donald than Hageman.

Same here. After Clowney and Mack, Donald is the 3rd most impressive defensive prospect in this draft, IMO. It just sucks that he tested so damn well in everything at the combine and had a hell of a Senior Bowl week. Very little chance he makes it to us now.

that doesnt tell me how many snaps they were at 5-tech.

Tyson Jackson 509 snaps
Allen Bailey 453 snaps
Devito 446 snaps.

one can be in a sub package and still have a player playing 5-tech. The chiefs could have also been rotating Jackson, Bailey, and Devito.

here are examples from the seahawks since you all like to keep bringing them up.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/11...nder_large.png
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/11...Over_large.png

Here is the Jets 2010 rex ryan playbook

and an example of a 5-tech in a sub package (3 man front).
http://i.imgur.com/6GiLhUz.png

its not exactly the same as the jets (link2)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...cheme/3005499/
Teams like Denver, under Payton Manning run a hurry up offense which makes it difficult for defenses to substitute personel. The chiefs cant afford to have a player who is limited to sub packages or one position such as 3-tech, because teams (such as denver) can easily switch to a run play without substitution. I dont think that Aaron Donald is an every down lineman for the chiefs (at least in a 3 man front).

Finally, the same issues that the chiefs faced in the second half of the season (teams beating the blitz with quick passes) was something that Sutton faced in the past. Here is what he said in 2009

I never said it was.

In fact, everything you posted supports exactly what I said.

you sure as hell implied it.

Sutton has said before that this is not the Jets defense but the chiefs defense.



you, nor anyone else, has provided evidence how many snaps (or percent of plays) that the chiefs use a 5-tech. you make ASSUMPTIONS based on the snaps of players (devito/jackson) that no other player also plays a 5-tech position for any number of plays. You make the ASSUMPTION that the chiefs dont use a 5-tech in a sub package formation. I showed that it is possible to be in a sub package formation and use a 5-tech. Heck, for that matter, what percent of plays do the chiefs use a 3-tech for the 2013 season?

Then wouldn't it make sense for the team to draft Donald and then line him up primarily at 3-tech vs trying to force him into the 5-tech role when we already have Devito, Walker, Bailey, and Catapano for that role?:spock:

So, again, why wouldn't you draft the most dominant interior pass rusher available in this draft again? Because you don't think he could do well at 5-tech when our team runs a multiple front and has a number of guys who could fill that role? ROFL

No, I didn't.

The Jets have borrowed concepts from half a dozen different teams over the years, depending on where their coaches have come from.

I was talking about philosophy. You're fixated on scheme.

I wouldnt force him to play 5-tech.

1. I havent seen how often the chiefs use a 3-tech, and wouldnt want to use a first round player whose role will be limited to only a few snaps.

2. Donald cant (and shouldnt) line up as a 3-tech on everydown in a 3 or 2 man front. He would be a liability in the run game. An offense that doesnt substitute its players (which is becoming popular) would limit the ability of the chiefs to sub him in or out.

Thus I dont want to devote premium picks on a player who is limited on what he can do and may be limited in how many snaps he can play.

because he may not fit the chiefs scheme, and the chiefs are not changing their scheme for him. The chiefs have already gone on record that their scheme is not changing for the 2014 season.

I dont try to force square pegs into round holes.

you compared the chiefs defense with the jets (whether is was scheme or philosophy it doesnt matter). you said

whether scheme or philosophy the chiefs defense is not exactly the same as the Jets. Thus, one may not "get it" by only watching 2 quarters of the jets.

Yeah, a guy who led all of college football in TFL is a liability in the run game. ROFL If anything he would improve our ability to stop the run.

pitt runs a 4-3 defense. the chiefs employ a 3-4 base defense.

A 4 man front has more fatties at the LOS than a 3 man front which makes it easier to defend the run.

Here is an example of the weight difference for a typical NFL defenses:
3 man front: Donald (285), Poe (350), walker/devito (305) = 940lbs
4 man front: 285 end, poe (350), Donald (285), 300 end = 1220

the defensive line is lining up against 5 x 300lb offensive lineman = 1500 lbs.

If you watch the Jets for 2 quarters, you'd notice that the Jets defense look a bit like the Patriots, and then a bit like the Cowboys, and then back to the Patriots, and then they drop a zone blitz ala Pittsburgh.

You obviously don't have any idea what I was talking about.

You're so concerned about being right about 5-techniques that you can't see the forest through the trees.

That's not a typical 40 front, dude. Most base 40 teams don't have DE's anywhere near 300 pounds.

The Atlanta Falcons fielded DE's that were BOTH under 270.

that might have been what you meant, but that isnt what you said. So lets take you at your current word and people can watch 2 quarters of the Jets defense to learn about defenses in the NFL in general. fine.

I'd rather watch the chiefs to learn about the chiefs.

We need a guy who can do this against the run:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_as...8525/qF4ji.gif

A hell of a lot more than we need someone who just occupies space like Jackson and Devito did last year. How great was our run defense btw with all of that "beef" and nothing beyond Poe as far as a potential disruptive presence in the opponent's backfield on run plays?

We were 22nd in total yards in run defense. 24th in YPC with a 4.5 YPC average.

Sorry, but I'm done with DL men who can only occupy space and blockers. I want an Aaron Donald who has not only demonstrated the ability to take up blockers, but can also make the plays in the backfield himself.

270, 350, 285, 270 = 1175.

still more mass than a 3 man front.

dude was completely unblocked (77 doesnt even touch him and pulls to the left). The center hikes the ball and than pulls, and the offense tried to have the LG block from so far away. It was a terrible offensive call more than any success by Donald.

If there were a Wilkerson, Richard Seymour, or Calais Campbell in this draft, I would be all over him. But there isn't. The only thing that's a sure bet is that there is a more athletic and even more explosive Geno Atkins clone available in this draft in Aaron Donald. You would be an absolute fool to pass on that kind of talent.

Precisely my point, he was way too fast for the OL player to get to him while pulling or trap blocking and that fact will still remain the same in the NFL because he would, on day 1, be the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league.

that would have taken a herculean effort for the LG. look how far away the LG is lined up.

a rookie being the fastest, quickest, and most explosive interior lineman in the league? bullshit until proven otherwise.

Um, no.

Actually, that is what I said.

You're reading stuff into that post that wasn't there...

Sorry, but find me anyone who tested as well as Donald did at the combine.

Closest I can think of would be Geno Atkins and Henry Melton.

Donald ran an official 4.68 40 at the combine with a 7.11 3-cone drill.

Atkins ran an official 4.75 40 at the combine with a 7.33 3-cone drill.

Melton ran a 4.64 at his Pro Day at 269 pounds.

Donald's workout was on par with Clowney and Greg Robinson as far as athletic freaks went this year. To top it off, Donald demonstrates better technique at his position than either of those two currently have at their respective positions. Donald is the most pro-ready DL player in this draft. It's not a stretch to say that if he were 2 inches taller and even 5 pounds heavier people would be talking about him as a top 5 prospect and potential #1 overall pick.

Instead, he's a 6'1", 285 pounds, with nearly 33" arms DT who runs and moves like a linebacker with the power of a DT and has the tape to support it.

1. you try to use combine measurement (i.e. guys running around in shorts) to justify that he is going to be the fastest, most explosive in the NFL?
that is really stupid.

2. I would argue that Hagemon did as well for his weight in the 40.

I dont really care about the 40 yard dash. Defensive lineman arent required to run 40yrds. There are plenty of players with similar weight who ran a similar 10yrd dash.

Some might wonder what tests are important

Donald has above average size hands, but below average size arms.

there are a bunch of players with similar numbers

not as important for an interior player. (which is what it seems you advocate for Aaron Donald).

Kony Ealy would be an example with a better number.

Here are Defensive lineman, who were drafted in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years, with arm length of 34" or more, and 33" or below

There are only a couple of 33"- that I would want on my team and only a couple of 34"+ I wouldn't want on my team. note: $ means pro bowler which 34"+ wins 9-2. The pro bowl is very subjective and by no means how talented a player is but I feel it is a good representative of 9/11=81.8% of how much more successful of longer armed d-line are can be than short armed. Longer arm people can get off blocks just so much easier. You can't teach physical traits.


2013
Sheldon Richardson
Kawann Short
Ziggy Ansah
Tank Carradine

2012
Chandler Jones
Andre Branch
Fletcher Cox
Michael Brockers

2011
Nick Fairley
Phil Taylor
Aldon Smith $
J.J. Watt $$ d-mvp 12'
Robert Quinn $
Cameron Jordan $
Cameron Heyward
Muhammad Wilkerson

2010
Jason Pierre-Paul $$
Derrick Morgan
Carlos Dunlap
Jared Odrick
Torell Troup
Linval Joseph
Terrence Cody

2009
Evander Hood
Sen'Derrick Marks
Brian Orakpo $$

This year potenital 1/2 round prospects with 34"+ arms
Jadeveon Clowney
Kareem Martin
Chris Smith
Marcus Smith
Stephon Tuitt
Ra'Shede Hageman
Kony Ealy



2013
Sharrif Floyd
Johnathan Hankins
Datone Jones

2012
Shea McClellin
Nick Perry
Courtney Upshaw
Vinny Curry
Dontari Poe $
Jerel Worthy

2011
Marvin Austin
Stephen Paea
Brooks Reed

2010
Tyson Alualu
Brian Price
Lamarr Houston

2009
B.J. Raji $
Peria Jerry
Ron Brace
Larry English
David Veikune
Robert Ayers

This year potenital 1/2 round prospects
Jeremiah Attaochu
Scott Crichton
Dee Ford
Aaron Donald
Timmy Jernigan
Ego Ferguson
Louis Nix
Will Sutton
Dominique Easley

Since people keep comparing the chiefs defense to the jets, I figured it would be a good idea to see what defensive lineman they have drafted since 2007:


Sheldon Richardson - 6'3'', 294 lbs, 34+ arms
Quinton Coples - 6'6'', 290 lbs, 33.25" arms
Muhammad Wilkerson - 6'4'', 315 lbs, 35" arms
Kenrick Ellis - 6'4'', 346 lbs, 35" arms

dont see any short, short armed, undersized players.

Scouting director: 2014 DL class 'worst I've seen in a long time'

Jadeveon Clowney is far from the only defensive lineman in the 2014 NFL Draft an NFC scouting director doesn't hold in high regard.

The scouting director, who directed harsh criticism toward Clowney, doesn't see much to like in the entire class of defensive linemen this year.

"It's a bad year," he said, according to nj.com. "It's the worst group I've seen in a long time."

As for the top interior defensive linemen this year, Pitt's Aaron Donald ranks 14th, Florida State's Timmy Jernigan ranks 18th, Notre Dame's Louis Nix ranks 28th and Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman ranks 30th on Jeremiah's list.

The nj.com story quoted the NFC scouting director as well as an NFC scout an an AFC personnel executive on several of this year's top DL prospects, and Clowney wasn't the only one that received the "lazy" label. Here's a look at some of their comments:

Stephon Tuitt
NFC scouting director: "Lazy. He's an underachiever. I would just say no."
AFC personnel executive: "I think he's better as a 3-4 end, than a 4-3 tackle. He has the size and build for it. But there were games where he just didn't do anything."
Kony Ealy

NFC scouting director: "He's got good size. He's big, fast, strong. There's a lot to work with there. Could he be a 3-4 linebacker? Yeah, he could, but I think he's a 4-3 end. He's a late first-round pick for sure."

Louis Nix
AFC personnel executive: "Classic nose tackle. He reminds me of (Packers NT) B.J. Raji. You put some people around him and he could make an impact."
NFC scout: "I don't see much there. He's not for us."

Aaron Donald
NFC scouting director: "I don't know about this guy. You look at him, and he's too small. But then you watch him and all he does is produce. I'm torn on him."

Ra'Shede Hageman
NFC scouting director: "When he wants to play, he can. You watch him for a couple of plays, and you see things. Then, you don't see him again."
AFC personnel executive: "He's big and talented. But he's lazy."

Timmy Jernigan
NFC scout: "He tapped out in the championship game. On that last Auburn drive, you couldn't find him."
AFC personnel executive: "He can do a lot of things. He's very strong. He's a first-rounder."

Question. What do you guys think of Quarles playing the 5-tech?

I'm very much in agreement about not liking this year's crop of defensive lineman. There are a few that I like and a bunch of meh...

Stephon Tuitt is lazy and an underachiever? ROFL

I still think Tuitt and Hagemon would be great fits for the chiefs

I want nothing to do with Hageman. We've invested enough at the position. Taking him would be one step removed from taking a guard...

I do not share that opinion.

I do no care.