Whitlock with a good article on the Riley Cooper situation
 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/w...d-learn-080113

An article about race? You know Whitlock has to throw his two fat cents in...

Whitlock is pretty real, no matter how you feel about him. This is as real as you'll read him. Not bad at all, JW.

Not bad. Good read. I've used derogatory gay slurs before - had nothing to do with being homphobic - had EVERYTHING to do with saying something that I thought would anger the person I used them against as much as possible.

I heard him doing a radio interview about this yesterday and it was pretty interesting.

That's funny....as soon as i heard about this story i said to myself..."wonder what jwhit has to say?"

And now i know.

I actually thought that was a pretty good write.

jwit gonna jwit

Good read JW

Half of Whitlock's articles are pure garbage, and half of them are so good that you wonder how Whitlock can ever write garbage.

This was a very good article.

Whitlock should stick to race only

Well said. nice work JW.

He asked to allow time for Cooper to mature.

Maybe he finally himself, has.

Probably the best read of his I've ever read.

I had friends on FB who commented about Cooper.....talking about how they lost respect for Riley Cooper.

Who the **** had respect for Cooper? Who, outside of Gator and Eagle fans, know who the **** Riley Cooper is?

Defintely not what I expected. I considered that between Jemele Hill, and Whitlock, they would of been painting this guy as the Anti Christ.

Impressive article, is impressive JWhit. Myself, a Caucasian who grew up in the hood in North Carolina, who spent many days running home from the bus stop because I was white, especially during the Rodney King riots, I have very little understanding of this. One day when playing pick up football in my neighborhood, after being called a cracker, honky, whitey all day long, laid out a guy on a pass play, and said something to the affect of, "keep your black ass down." 7 boys none white, beat my ass down. After all day of being called every white derogatory name in the book, I was stunned by this, and then I realized that race, and using anything racial just isn't called for under any circumstance.

I fought in two deployments, with Mexicans, Whites, Blacks, Hmongs, Asians, and honestly, race doesn't bother me.

What does bother me though, is late at night, when I am watching tv, and I see an add for blackpeople.com


Can you imagine a web site if it was called White people.com? Could you imagine the BACKLASH that would cause? The god father of my son, and my best friend is black, the first girl I ever had sex with, black, I have dated Mexican, white, black, Asian, and I have made derogatory remarks towards a person and included a racial tone to it. I have used derogatory remarks, all the time on COD, it slips out like a second language. "you are such a f##," on more than one occasion.

Im not homophobic, as most of the time, with my group that I run with, we have a gay guy on our team. Doesn't bother me. just something to say.

One time when Vince Carter was playing against the Timberwolves, and Wally Szerbiack (sp) was guarding him. Vince looked at the Timberwolves bench, and said, "If you leave this white boy on me, ill score 40." Its all unneeded bullshit. And I hate it. I hate it that we hold on to these racial tensions relentlessly, and make national stories out of this.


On twitter yesterday, I said in Jest, "when are the pounceys gonna be seen with their Free Riley Cooper hats."

There are people, who actually would defend Aaron Hernandez, but we crucify a racial slur as if it was murder. We as a society, need to get our priorities in order.

Ding Ding! This is totally right on. In a fight, you are going to insult who you are fighting. Your words are weapons. If the guy was short, he might have called him a midget or something. Doesn't excuse that he is a dumbass and lost his self control, but I see this as more of an anger control issue than a racist issue. The word is hurtful and shouldn't be said, but only he knows in his heart if he is a racist. I would have put the idiot through anger management counseling before sensitivity training. Also needs to watch the booze.

Nailed it. I appreciate where Whitlock is coming from, but I think he's likely wrong about Cooper's motivations.

I n-bombed a dude at a bar one time about ten years ago. He had randomly poured a drink down the cleavage of a girl who was in my group at the bar. I confronted him, and he made a threat about he and his friends ****ing me up.

I responded with something along the lines of "if we have to take this outside, there's going to be one less n-word in this world, and those cops outside will help me dig the hole."

It wasn't about having racism in my heart. It was about holding a losing hand and having to make a big enough bluff that he couldn't afford to call it. I was a well dressed white guy in a club with a bunch of crew cut sporting white police officers standing outside by the door, and he and his friends left.

I'm not particularly proud of it, but I did what I felt I had to do at the time to get into his head. I think Cooper was trying to intimidate the guy, so he chose to call the guy the n-word at a concert full of white people. I'm sure the guy was intimidated. If I were working a NAS concert, and a huge back guy threatened to fight every cracker there, I'd shit my pants. It wouldn't mean the guy was racist. It would just mean he knew how to intimidate me given the circumstances.

Well Darren Sharper would go to management and tell them he couldn't play with the guy. I think maybe he should read this article.

Wow.

Dead on. I'm impressed.

Mostly this.

If I call you a "fat piece of $3it" in anger it doesn't mean I hate fat people.

I'm fat.

I'm just angry and picking the one thing I think will piss you off the most.

The idea that one insult is worse than another is your problem to deal with...

great point

I saw Michael Wilbon on a PTI clip overly upset about Goodell not suspending Riley Cooper.

I like how FIFA soccer and the pro leagues suspend players and sanction teams who fans make racist cheers, but if the NFL were to adopt some policy for racial slurs that were said at work or away from work then there would be a big argument about whether racial epithets that refer to the player's own race should result in suspensions.

I don't see how the NFL could justify overlooking some use of forbidden racial words based on the race of the person who says it.

I remember Carl Pickens got into some hot water for saying something to Mike Woodson about his mixed-race parents during a game. That was years ago and may have been a fine, but I don't think there was a suspension.

I don't think the NFL should.

But he works for the owner, GM, and HC.

If they want to fire/fine him that's their choice...

The biggest difference is the time and place. The soccer players, are doing this stuff while in uniform during games. Not to excuse what Riley Cooper did. But in reality, the NFLPA could of fought this on Riley Coopers behalf, and probably won. He wasn't at an NFL event, or Facility, he was on his own time. Now, of course they wouldn't do that, the NFLPA player president, is Dominique Foxworth, and uh, he aint white, plus his is unacceptable behavior anyways. But I love Wilbon, and that's just Wilbon being Wilbon, its to be expected.

I find it hilarious though. I have HEARD during games, the N***A word thrown around at packers games, and at bucks games, during the games, between players of like races. I don't think that's acceptable EITHER. You are just encouraging inequity.......

Impressive read.

I agree with that. I was commenting on Wilbon criticizing Roger Goodell for not suspending Cooper, but don't blame the team for doing anything that does not violate the CBA.

What is ironic to me is that Cooper, due to his ethnicity and position of choice in football, has probably been discriminated against due to his whiteness more than others in the same position. He's often referred to as a "white" wide receiver.

I'll wager that Cooper has endured FAR more insults regarding his race from black players in college and the nfl than he's given.

It doesn't make what he said right, but It would be interesting to have him mic'd up this season to see what the black players say to him week in and week out.

If he's dumb enough to let it get under his skin, throw him off his game, or make him act stupid they should.

He's a ****ing football player - not an international diplomat.

To me, the fat reference meant more. Meaning you were more of a piece of shit than a normal piece of shit.

Ex. Rauch, you're a big, fat German.

I just watched the movie 42. They say the N word a million times as well as in Django unchanined. I think this is far more repulsive. Put on a rap record and it is filled with it- but does that make it okay since they are black? I guess I don't understand- the word is offensive and demeaning no matter who says it IMO.

They actually beat your ass down because of your affinity for game managers.

Wait....so it doesn't count if he's insulted?
He's just a football player and not a diplomat? Then why is he being paraded around on an apology tour to keep his job?

In b4 HoustonWhodat calls someone a ninja

You could never beat me down period. You will always think you have won verbal sparring. Congrats......That's the only beating down of anyone you have ever done.......Take it how you want it. Just don't let your ego run too wild.

Its funny, the only qb that is wearing a chiefs uniform that I have AN AFFINITY FOR, play wise, is BRAY......

and to the THEY part. They beat me down because I loved STEVE YOUNG? He was the 49ers qb at the time.

Uh, yeah...

HE made that decision.

It may not be fair but his employer clearly felt that's what he needed to do.

He can always choose to be employed elsewhere...

you are thinking about this as a one sided equation. Its not about getting under someones skin. I know it, when I went to the line of scrimmage as a wide receiver, I heard im shutting your white ass down regularly. If I was to walk up to a black receiver, and say im shutting your black ass down. Im a racist......

Its a stupid stigma that has been accepted.......

Did it bother you?...

Of course. They embrace the word, its like us saying BRO, or dude to each other, but how dare anyone not of their race say it. If you aren't comfortable saying it to anyone, it shouldn't be said period.....

Motivated me. Ive always been short, white and couldn't jump. Never bothered me, my competitiveness always got me by.

I always loved walking into a gym full of brothers, and hearing, don't let the white kid shoot. That was a proud moment......

But no, racial undertones like that typically didn't bother me, what made me laugh, was when schooling the shit talker, and hearing his teammates clown him because the white boy made him look like shit.

:spock:

WRONG! Blacks CAN get away with saying it because they are black and have experienced racism first hand from their own unique perspective. The rest of us aren't qualified because we are not black and do not understand. The media will tell you that. On the flip side, often times if blacks say something racist against whites, it's acceptable because that's how they talk so its not "really" meant as racist. The media will tell you that as well. There is clearly a double standard in this country regarding who says what and can get away with it but don't dare suggest that because then YOU will be considered RACIST. CLEAR???

Can I ask a question? What part of slavery, did any NFL player active today, have a perspective from to experience from it?

MLK wanted badly for both whites and blacks to move away from the animosity that was built over a word. When people still use it as a common slang you are defeating that purpose. You are hanging on to a negative that really has nothing to do with anyone alive today.


The original word was a derogatory word used to display the unequalness between slaves, and their owners. The slaves then embraced the word as their own, but for us to come together as a country, we have to move past such terms.

It seriously is blowing my mind that while Donte Stallworth killed a guy, Leonard Little killed a guy, yet they were barely blips on the radars as far as being public enemy number one, yet a word, a VERY STUPID ACT BY A DRUNK STUPID IDIOT, has incited this much of a controversy.....Unbelievable......This is getting more backlash, than the George Zimmerman trial, or that woman who got off in Florida.

Very, cant you tell?

Exactly. You nailed it. HOWEVER, if you want an answer to your question, you should ask "Reverand" AL Sharpton. He's been known to come up with some real doozies...Every time I listen to the guy I just say WTF and laugh.

I love race threads. They always deliver.

respect, and agree as usual. :thumb:

I love how Darren Sharper said he couldn't be on the team with the guy. Really? So, you mean to tell me he was on teams that never used derogatory language towards anyone?? Riiiighhhttt....

I love how high and mighty these people (in media and NFL) who are offended are. If you are offended by that kind of language from boys in the locker room, then you are in the wrong profession.

I also love how the Eagles are going to send him to 'pray the racist away" camp. Sensitivity training??? LMAO. So are they doing that for every player who says '****er" or 'Cracker" or "bundle of sticks". Every player in the league would be 'Sensitivity training".

Those players need to realize they **** up and say stupid racist, bigoted shit too, just like he did, and to give him some slack.

CARLOTA SMASH

That was a beatdown.

Whitlock always goes against the grain on all issues. This was expected.

A poster here, I think it was Micjones, actually dispelled that argument a while back. MLK Jr used the word himself, in jest, toward other blacks.

I don't condone the use of that word, ever, but this shit has completely gotten out of hand.

Michael Vick killed dogs. Donte Stallworth killed a human being. Both played in the NFL afterward and neither were a distraction in the locker room.

Killers. Felons. Not a distraction.

But a drunk guy says the "N" word and he's on the verge of losing his job, forever, because he's now labeled a "distraction"? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

:rolleyes:

Riley's biggest mistake was saying "n****r" instead of "n***a". If he had said "n***a", it would have all been "okay", which makes this situation absolutely absurd.

I agree. The hypocrisy in regards to racism in this country lately has gotten out of control.

It is sort of interesting because I've heard media people make a huge issue of it and then when they've had athletes or African American writers or professors on they've been sort of like, 'Yeah, we need to just understand that he said I'm sorry and try to move forward."

:thumb:

If the word brings back 300 years of pain and suffering to African Americans- then why do they perpetuate the word even more and glamorize it in movies and rap lyrics?

Sorry I don't call my friends "cracker" lol "Hows my cracker doing today?" "You Crackers ready to party?"

:shake:

That's another interesting thing - you have guys that have slapped women around, guys with multiple felonies, there's been guys that have killed people in DUIs and a host of other stuff, and they stay on rosters. But apparently being racist is worse. You hear people say he should basically lose his job.

Devil's advocate on this, but if he's too ****ing dumb to not keep his mouth shut as a high profile person, then he's too ****ing dumb to be playing professional football.

:facepalm:

Darren Sharper was on the Internet minding his own business- looking up Christian sites and then BAM- he comes onto this video with the N word? :hmmm:

Or did he hear about it and just Knowing that the N word was used - was so Offended he just can't take it? He has Never used that word or Ever heard it before? All his friends, team mates and nobody he knows has never said it? :hmmm:

I feel better knowing the Darren Sharpton's in this world are here to protect us-lol

I can't wait until Obama steps in and files Federal Charges for violating the security guards Civil Rights. Maybe 20 years in Leavenworth having his mouth washed out with soap will do Coop some good.

Riley Cooper isn't even a racist. I find it hard to believe that a guy who plays in a sport dominated by black men is a racist.

He got drunk and said something stupid out of anger. That's it. Nothing more.

Not sure if serious.

That's entirely too simple and is not a news story though.

Excellent point considering there have been more offseason arrest in the NFL this year then ever before.

:thumb:

alcohol = superman drug

I liked Whitlock's article up and to the point where he equates sexual preferance with race. You can't choose your race. You can absolutely choose who and how you have sex.

8 agree with everything you said except the black website stuff..but good post and spot on.

How many lesbians have you banged?

Great take Dane - this racial sensitivity stuff is way out of hand these days especially if it's preceived white on black racism.

What did he say that was wrong with the black website stuff? It's true.

Same goes for T.V. Totally acceptable for there to be a "BET", but imagine if some network tried to make a "WET"....all ****ing hell would break loose.

"White Entertainment Television? They only focus on white artists and white current events? RACIST"

Do bisexuals count?

Nope. :D

They already have White Entertainment television, its called CMT.

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Yea I am aware there are black country artist. Had no idea Nelly was on there. There are white people on BET on occasion.

How about Speedvision?

Here's how I feel about it:

Full disclosure: I'm black and a regionally well known hip-hop artist.

I don't care who says the word ****a.

I have black, white, mexican, and asian friends and we all say it to each other.

I think it's a beautiful thing when a white dude comes up to me and says, "Good show my ****a."

That's 100% percent love right there. And it speaks to the power of music that those barriers can be broken down. Especially when 40 years ago he would have said that word to me out of 100% hate.

I do think it's an unfortunate double standard that black people have created surrounding the word. I think it's unfair to take people's money and not allowing them to fully embrace the culture.

It's an old way of thinking now. Most black people don't really care as long as you come correct with it.

Give the black community some time. We're still figuring out this "True Equality" thing.

Remember, we've only really been a part of "True" American society for about 40 years. (give or take)

I always tell me black people that do disagree with me, "Martin Luther King didn't die so you could say ****a and white people couldn't. He died so we could be TRULY EQUAL.

I think in Riley Cooper's case it's just blatant, aggressive racism. I don't think Cooper's a racist. But I also don't think you can lay this at the black community's feet.

White people know what the score is. You guys have been using that word waaaaaaaay before black people took it and flipped it on it's ear.

So the "You guys say it" argument doesn't really work. I've never straight called someone a ****er out of anger because I was mad at them.

Forget the "a" or the "er" or whatever. It's about what's behind it to me.

We're talking about something positive vs something overtly and obviously negative.

I feel you guys on the hypocrisy angle. But Cooper knows what's up.

Even if he would been like "C'mon ****a, let me in" I have no problem with that whatsover.

But the way it was delivered bothers me. He's visibly angry, gritting his teeth and pointing. That's anger. Calling someone a ****er out of anger is the definition of racism and is wrong. And I think if we look at it objectively, we can all agree on that.

I also want to touch on the Blackpeoplemeet.com comment by maverick.

I also think it's a ****ing joke that it exists.

But I will say that all the Match.com and eharmony commercials you see are 98% white.

If you look at the testimonials, all the people are saying stuff like:

"I moved to a new city" "I'm tired of the bar scene" etc.

But the black guy says, "I wanna try something new."

That kind of got under my skin a little bit. It suggests that black men's interests in white women are purely sexual. I was wondering, "Why can't the black guy be in a new town or tired of the bar scene?"

So I think blackpeoplemeet.com (while I agree it's just a ****ing ploy for money from a certain group of people) I think it's important for us to be represented in other capacities other than the roles designated for us.

Thanks guys. One love.

Are you MC Hammer?

Is speedvision called WHITE entertainment television?

Pretty sure Speedvision covers racing from all around the world, not just Nascar anyway.