Oh he absolutely was playing much better. I was pretty impressed. And by all means I want him to get a shot just as bad as you do. For different reasons obviously. But I definitely do want him to start.

I fully get that the reason we want to see him get a shot is completely different. At least we can agree on him getting a shot.

It's been talked about before....but his shot in Cleveland was ****ed. He got drafted as the QBoTF. Anderson went out and earned a new contract.....so they weren't going to bench Anderson over Quinn. Quinn finally got his shot....and got injured. Crennel got fired and Mangini came in and completely ****ed up that QB situation. He would bench Anderson and start Quinn until Quinn made a mistake....and then he would bench Quinn for Anderson. Rinse and repeat.

Could he have played better when he had his shot? **** yes.

Go look at all of the teams that he's played on. This team surrounds him with the talent that he's never really had.

Oh...and FWIW.....if Quinn gets the start and tears it up. I'm fully on board with drafting a QB next year to sit behind him for the 1st year and then open competition after that.

I dont disagree with any of that, but he had his chances to beat out Derick ROFL Anderson and couldnt do it.

He might get his shot again someday and do well, but at this point in time, its pointless to continue whining about him starting over Cassel.

I have no expectations about Quinn. None. The realist in me thinks hes not any better than Cassel overall though. Just because a guy has a stronger arm doesnt make him better.

This is what I am talking about. Bad ****ing post. Why the **** even write something like this? He's done getting shots. His only chance is if Cassel gets hurt. Even if that happens, he will have a very short leash.

Brady Quinn sucks. Especially when you consider that QBs get extra time to develop. Then when you consider that first round draft picks get even more time to develop it must eventually cross your mind that Quinn sucks ass. He might be able to manage a game or two for us but that is realistically it.

I admired the way he played the other night but he is a short term back up QB. That's all he is. He had his chances and failed.

Despite all the agreements and disagreements....can we ALL agree that if he does get his chance here, this will determine whether or not he can make it as a starting QB the rest of his career?

People should read this. Slowly. Then re-read it.

Whether or not Quinn is any good remains to be seen. The only thing that is certain is Quinn has never had a legitimate chance in the NFL. 11 starts in your first two years on the worst franchise in football doesn't tell you much.

My guess is, however, we're still looking at drafting a QB next year. And I'm guessing it's in the 2nd round.

I can fully agree with that.

There are guys around here that still believe Thigpen can be a starter. What do you think?

I disagree. If both have their limitations - decision making, accuracy, pocket awareness - then I will take the guy who has one less limitation - arm strength.

At least Quinn can get it to the receivers 35 yards downfield when they're open. Whether or not the throw is accurate, I don't know. But he can get it there, which is more than I can say for Cassel.

Yep. Last chance.

Quinn is a guy who has been unable to beat out Derek Anderson, Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow and Matt Cassel. It took three weeks of preseason to beat out Ricky Stanzi.

You gotta look at what we can't see. What about Mike Holmgren's point of view? He's seen more good QBs come and go than almost anyone. He shipped him out of town for virtually nothing. You don't do that with franchise QBs. He picked up Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy because Brady Quinn sucked. Also, don't forget about 102 year old Jake Delhomme. He wanted him over Quinn too.

Then think about how the Broncos cut Orton and started Tebow last year. Orton almost took us to the playoffs and Quinn rode the pine. John Fox looked at Brady Quinn and said to himself, "we got no shot with this kid."

I guess what I am trying to say is that Brady Quinn sucks worse than all of those guys above. People that know QBs and more than one coach have said "no way" to Quinn. He's out of chances. He's not here for a chance.

John Fox looked at Quinn and said they have no shot with him? That's why they were designing packages for Quinn going into the playoffs last year because they knew Tebow couldn't pass if they needed him to.

And Holmgren....who knows QBs....went with Wallace and McCoy? That says a lot about Holmgren. You know....the same guy that just drafted a 29 year old rookie QB in the 1st round. Yep....QB guru.