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Kclee 12-23-2004 11:14 AM

A Question for all that want DE with 1st pick
 
I must be missing something and need enlightenment. I think Allen starts and Holliday will be gone. And didn't we just sign Hicks? The coaches love him. Believe me, I would love to draft stud DE first, but do you think they will bench Hicks? Or even bench Allen, who will most likely break DT's sack record? I guess I just don't see the coaches doing that. But alot of people are thinking DE, so enlighten me please.

HC_Chief 12-23-2004 11:16 AM

RDE is where they want us to go. Replace Hicks with a more aggressive pass-rusher.

Heck, we could have done that THIS year... instead of resigning Hicks we could have kept Truluck.

Phobia 12-23-2004 11:16 AM

Uh - Hicks blows?

Does that answer your question?

htismaqe 12-23-2004 11:18 AM

Hicks needs to be replaced, period.

But alas, you're probably right. The coaching staff cares more about warm fuzzies than wins...

Alphaman 12-23-2004 11:19 AM

At a minimum, Holliday must be replaced as part of the normal rotation. That means a DE in the 1st or 2nd round (unless we get one in free agency).

Given where we may be drafting now, DE may be the best value on the board (or it could be CB). Erasmus James or Spears might be on the board when we draft. Of course Carlos Rogers or the CB from Michigan may be as well.

In a nutshell, we need to get 2 CBs, 2 LBs, and 1 DE in Free Agency and the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. Which happens where is really irrelavent to me.

philfree 12-23-2004 11:20 AM

Allen has RDE locked up and Hicks probably has LDE locked up to start the season but the way we rotate linemen we could draft a DE who has more pass rush then Hicks and play him on 3rd downs until he's ready to start. IMO our biggest problem is 3rd down. If we could improve our 3rd down pass rush it should help our D a bunch.

PhilFree :arrow:

Kclee 12-23-2004 11:23 AM

Hicks does blow. But why would they re-sign him? I was hoping they wouldn't. If he is cap friendly to cut, then maybe they will draft a DE. I just think the coaches love him way too much to bench him, even more so now since he just signed a new contract. Mistake? What mistake? He's the one with the motor always running. It just seems to be stuck in park.

HC_Chief 12-23-2004 11:27 AM

IMO this team has done a lot of shitting in one hand and wishing in the other, when it comes to personnel on D and at WR.

It's pretty obvious which hand filled up first....

shaneo69 12-23-2004 11:35 AM

I am holding out hope that Wilkerson will step up and develop into a starter. He has shown some pass rush ability (at least more than Hicks, IMO). But I think we just need to draft the best defensive player available, as long as it's not another DT.

RedandGold 12-23-2004 11:44 AM

Hicks is one of Gunther's guys, so regardless of how much he blows, we should probably get prepared for another season with him as our starter.

HC_Chief 12-23-2004 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RedandGold
Hicks is one of Gunther's guys, so regardless of how much he blows, we should probably get prepared for another season with him as our starter.

Aw shit.... that means we'll have Woods, Wesley and Bartee starting next year as well.

shaneo69 12-23-2004 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedandGold
Hicks is one of Gunther's guys, so regardless of how much he blows, we should probably get prepared for another season with him as our starter.

I think he's more of a DV pet than a Gunther guy. I don't remember Gunther ever having pets in his earlier tenure that he stuck with after they became unproductive.

RedandGold 12-23-2004 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Aw shit.... that means we'll have Woods, Wesley and Bartee starting next year as well.

I'd almost put money down that Wesley and Harts will be our starters next season. I don't think that even Gunther can justify keeping Woods around for another season.

Considering that Bartee has even received negative press on the Chiefs official website, I don't expect him to be around.

Chiefnj 12-23-2004 11:55 AM

I've advocated taking a DE with the 1st round pick for the following reasons:

1. There aren't many highly rated MLB's in the draft.
2. There are several MLB's available in free agency, who I would hope KC would pursue.
3. I'm of the opinion that in a 4-3 defense, the most important part of the D is the DL. It begins with them - they need to stop the run and generate a pass rush on their own.
4. If the front 4 could generate a decent pass rush by themselves, Gunther wouldn't have to employ his wild blitz packages as often, which often lead to very large gains. (High risk, high reward).
5. I'm still not convinced the Chiefs Run D is as good as some people think. IMO, it looks okay because of teams passing so much b/c the DB's are atrocious and opposing teams have to keep up with the high scoring O. They are 28th in yards per carry.
6. If the NFL is going to continue enforcing the no contact rule with CB's it is all the more important to pressure the QB as quickly as possible with a speed rusher.
7. A derivative of #6, CB's aren't allowed to do anything why spend top dollar on them. A lot of teams with big name corners are on the bottom of the stat page for pass defense.


That's why I'd go with a DE. It doesn't mean that DV would see things the same way and give a Pollack a chance, but I'm hoping DV completely 100% hands control over D and personnel of the D to Gunther. I think Gunther would be more inclined to pull a player even if it was one of his favorites.

htismaqe 12-23-2004 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
I am holding out hope that Wilkerson will step up and develop into a starter. He has shown some pass rush ability (at least more than Hicks, IMO). But I think we just need to draft the best defensive player available, as long as it's not another DT.

I sincerely hope that Siavii develops or something.

Both Sims and Dalton are serviceable, but neither of them pushes the other "over the top" the way Henderson did with Stroud in Jax...


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