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Sportswax 10-26-2005 05:22 PM

Don't you Remember Marty-Ball??
 
Didn't anyone on this BB watch Shottenheimer throw away the Chargers game last week with his locked-in, play it safe, Martyball? Going for Field Goals instead of touchdowns cost them the game against the Eagles, who go for it at all costs. I look for Philadelphia to do us another favor when they visit Denver this weekend. The Chiefs will open up a can of OFFENSE, and let the team of Vermeil and Cunningham teach their predecessor a lesson in when to use conservative playcalling. The films of the Chiefs' first six games won't tip their hand with regard to the offensive potential this team possesses. I have a feeling Mr. Martyball has been watching them over his shoulder since draft day.

Hoover 10-26-2005 05:27 PM

The Eagles got lucky, return a blocked FG for a TD? Marty just has some bad ass luck. And LT can take it to the house any time he is handed the ball, so ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player.

SLAG 10-26-2005 05:29 PM

I remember this weekend it was 4th down and Bree's and Co. came out and i was like ive seen this before...

They were just trying to get the offsides or encroahment or something.. No Balls to go for it on 4th down

Hammock Parties 10-26-2005 05:33 PM

It was classic Marty Ball.

San Diego's D held on a 4th and 1. The Chargers got the ball at Philly's 30 yard line.

What did they do?

1-10-PHI30 (3:29) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 28 for 2 yards
2-8-PHI28 (3:27) L.Tomlinson right end to PHI 23 for 5 yards
3-3-PHI23 (3:21) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 22 for 1 yard

milkman 10-26-2005 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover
The Eagles got lucky, return a blocked FG for a TD? Marty just has some bad ass luck. And LT can take it to the house any time he is handed the ball, so ya can't blame Marty for giving the ball to his best player.

I am just stunned and mystified at this concept that Marty is just a victim of bad luck.

Marty's "bad luck" is just a by product of his never learning to play to win.

milkman 10-26-2005 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gochiefs
It was classic Marty Ball.

San Diego's D held on a 4th and 1. The Chargers got the ball at Philly's 30 yard line.

What did they do?

1-10-PHI30 (3:29) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 28 for 2 yards
2-8-PHI28 (3:27) L.Tomlinson right end to PHI 23 for 5 yards
3-3-PHI23 (3:21) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 22 for 1 yard

Exactly what I'm talking about.

Marty didn't play to win.

Chiefnj 10-26-2005 05:43 PM

Vermeil/Saunders and any other head coach with a HB as talented as LT or Holmes would have done the exact same thing Marty did last week and that is give the ball to your playmaker and try to go up by a TD.

Hammock Parties 10-26-2005 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder
Exactly what I'm talking about.

Marty didn't play to win.

Seriously, a TD at that point would have put it away.

This is what I am talking about when Chiefs fans complain about Saunders passing the ball in similar situations. We should never be afraid to throw the ball.

Skip Towne 10-26-2005 05:44 PM

Uh, Sportswax, the Chargers are averaging 27.6 points per game. We are averaging 24.8 points per game. They are at home. I doubt we teach them much about offense.

Chiefnj 10-26-2005 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gochiefs
Seriously, a TD at that point would have put it away.

This is what I am talking about when Chiefs fans complain about Saunders passing the ball in similar situations. We should never be afraid to throw the ball.

People still complain about Saunders passing the ball in the redzone a year ago and it leading to a lucky INT. "You don't throw the ball, hand it to Priest."

milkman 10-26-2005 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Vermeil/Saunders and any other head coach with a HB as talented as LT or Holmes would have done the exact same thing Marty did last week and that is give the ball to your playmaker and try to go up by a TD.

Yes they would, but not on all 3 downs when the defense has been stuffing that back all game long.

People would complain about it if it failed, or worse resulted in an int., but on one of those 3 downs, we'd see a play action pass from Saunders.

milkman 10-26-2005 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj
People still complain about Saunders passing the ball in the redzone a year ago and it leading to a lucky INT. "You don't throw the ball, hand it to Priest."

When Priest is having success, I'd rather see him get the ball in the red zone, but I am also not going to complain about Saunders attacking.

I'll complain about the int, but not about the play call.

Skip Towne 10-26-2005 05:51 PM

To paraphrase Woody Hayes - When you throw the ball, three things can happen. And two of them are bad.

Hammock Parties 10-26-2005 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
To paraphrase Woody Hayes - When you throw the ball, three things can happen. And two of them are bad.

Guess who beat Woody Hayes in the Rose Bowl?

That's right...DICK VERMEIL!!!

Chiefnj 10-26-2005 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

People would complain about it if it failed, or worse resulted in an int., but on one of those 3 downs, we'd see a play action pass from Saunders.

When the Chiefs were nursing a 6 point lead against the Raiders with just under 2 minutes left they ran the ball three times. On the third they picked up the first down. But they still kept it safe.


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