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whoman69 09-27-2008 07:58 AM

Why isn't Herm gone? part II
 
Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.

Bwana 09-27-2008 08:00 AM

Herm has "the pictures."

whoman69 09-27-2008 08:01 AM

btw, forgot to put a link into the first poll
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=192120

JuicesFlowing 09-27-2008 08:04 AM

Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

triple 09-27-2008 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 5058088)
Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

yep. do it after the season.

Deberg_1990 09-27-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 5058088)
Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

What he said.

unfortunately, we are stuck with this turd for 13 more games.

I pray Clark doesnt look at him like a "1st year rebuilding coach".......

TN_Chief 09-27-2008 08:21 AM

First, I belive that Herm should be fired no later than the end of the season. Period. But if we lose 16 consecutive games, he should be gone then.

And I don't want to heard about McKay and the expansion Bucs...we are not them. If Herm can't somehow swing a victory in a year, his ass should be run out of town on a rail.

For those that say firing him during the season will do nothing, IMO at some point you have to make a statment (to your fans and your players) that buffoonery, poor preparation, etc. will not be tolerated. So you can him during the season as a wake up call to those who remain.

whoman69 09-27-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 5058088)
Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

I'm convinced Herm's scheme would have worked great in the '70s, but even his run game is unimaginative. The way the rules are set up the passing game is wide open both offensively and defensively. He'd rather sit back on defense. His goal on offense is to get to 14 and hope that's enough. That doesn't work when most of your possessions are three and out. He's leaving the defense on the field and keeping his offense off the field.

I don't see how we are served by having our young players indoctrinated in this system one game longer. We are learning some bad habits. Much like we had to reeducate everyone after being in Grob's defense, we are going to have to reeducate everyone how to play football again after this guy is gone. Is it smart to put out a young quarterback into a system in which it is impossible to succeed? Its no surprise that Croyle is failing with the conservative predictable system. We bring in Chan Gailey to supposedly open up the offense a bit, but are taking out half the playbook. It got to end and end now.

angelo 09-27-2008 08:34 AM

I am firmly convinced that we will be stuck with Carl and Herm next year.
We will get a new D.C. and O.C. because they will be the scapegoats.

If that is the case I am strongly against drafting a Quarterback.

I do not want him infected with Herms by a dirty Dick Curl.

I would rather they continue to rebuild the Defense (Linebackers and Defensive End and O-line, Wide Receivers) on offense.

Trade any players with Piss poor attitude(L.J.-Tony GOLLUM (one ring rules them all)) or who have not played to there level.

Derek Johnson, Pollard?, Page, Bell,Sams (Focking Sams), Ron Edwards, Damion McIntosh, Adrian Jones, Jeff Webb, The Invisible Man(DVD), John McGraw, Huard, Thigpen, Pat Thomas, The Napster, Donny Edwards, Nick Novak

You know that is just sad how long that list is.

Just My thoughts

I am Not a fair weather fan, I watch every game just to see a spark.
The Players now have dead eyes already.

Ang

rad 09-27-2008 08:45 AM

He should be fired during the 2nd quarter of the next game. Clark should come down to the sideline, go off on an animated tirade, then grab the headset and gameplan from him and finish the game himself, while Herm slinks away, pouting.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-27-2008 08:58 AM

Did Cameron make it through the whole season last year when the Dolphins went 1-15? I am struggling to think of a coach that was fired during the season.

Buehler445 09-27-2008 09:20 AM

IMO, he should have been shitcanned after the Faider game. He ran the option. THE OPTION. JFC...

There is serious merit to the guys that say it can do more harm than good to the continuity of the season and the young guys development. But I contend that Herm's bullshit ass antics aren't contributing much to the young guys development either. Especially on the defensive side of the ball, which is supposed to be his deal. We've got some ballers on that side of the ball, but we very well should, given the draft picks we've committed to it. But their sills and abilities haven't grown much between day 1 and the current time. Moreover, the gameplanning and playcalling (that I don't really think it is arguable that he has a pretty dramatic effect on) is not doing the young guys any freaking favors.

I picked "Yes. 3 games would have been enough" because it is the closest I could get to canning him before the season. Plus at some point, you just have to accept that you made the wrong decision and cut your losses and move forward.

whoman69 09-27-2008 09:53 AM

What good goes about from keeping him on the rest of the season? Why do we continue to teach our young players in a losing scheme?

2112 09-27-2008 09:58 AM

He's black and the echos of racism would come raining down on Castle Arrowhead. hell, I'm surprised he hasn't asked for a raise like he did with the Jets after a shitty season.

milkman 09-27-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimension2112 (Post 5058270)
He's black

Well that destroys that myth about blacks having big dicks.


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