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The Chiefs Defense: An Absolutely Terrifying Set of Statistics

I'm not one to self promote on here but one of our readers did an excellent post on the Chiefs defensive draft picks over the last 7 years. Thought you all might be interested.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/1...-an-absolutely

From a poster on the Arrowhead pride website:

Here are the results, and they are DISGUSTING. Even from the beginning of the Vermeil and Herm eras, the Defense has not been ignored:

Of the Picks Not Traded Since the 2001 Draft

1st Round: 4 of 6 have been on Defense (67%)

2nd Round: 6 of 6 have been on Defense (100%...100 freaking percent!)

3rd Round: 5 of 9 have been on Defense (56%)

71% of of every 1st through 3rd round draft pick in the last 8 years has been on Defense.

By Position:

DT = 6 (7 if you count McBride)

DE = 2 counting McBride as a DE

LB = 3

S = 2

CB = 2

By Year (with names):

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

2005 = 1st - Defense, Derrick Johnson LB. 2nd - No 2nd pick. 3rd - Special Teams.

2006 = 1st - Defense, Tamba Hali DE. 2nd - Defense, Bernard Pollard S. 3rd - Offense.

2007 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Turk McBride DT/DE. 3rd - Defense, Tank Tyler DT.

2008 = 1st - Defense, Glenn Dorsey DT. 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Brandon Flowers CB. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, DaJuan Morgan S.

I really feel sick looking at all of this over the last 8 years, and we still have the 32nd ranked Defense. Blame Vermeil...blame Herm, but there has only been 1 person in charge over that entire 8 year period.

[U] Those are 15 first day Defensive players. Even if we whiffed on 4 of them, that is still an ENTIRE starting defensive team in their prime. Add to that FA's in that period like Ty Law, Pat Surtain, Napolean Harris, Donnie Edwards, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone...and keep in mind Jared Allen, Jarrad Page, and Brandon Carr were second day picks and don't factor into this scenario.

Our Defense is, and has been, so horrendously broken it almost defies blame...but it doesn't. It is inexcusable.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5229275)

From a poster on the Arrowhead pride website:

Here are the results, and they are DISGUSTING. Even from the beginning of the Vermeil and Herm eras, the Defense has not been ignored:

Of the Picks Not Traded Since the 2001 Draft

1st Round: 4 of 6 have been on Defense (67%)

2nd Round: 6 of 6 have been on Defense (100%...100 freaking percent!)

3rd Round: 5 of 9 have been on Defense (56%)

71% of of every 1st through 3rd round draft pick in the last 8 years has been on Defense.

By Position:

DT = 6 (7 if you count McBride)

DE = 2 counting McBride as a DE

LB = 3

S = 2

CB = 2

By Year (with names):

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

2005 = 1st - Defense, Derrick Johnson LB. 2nd - No 2nd pick. 3rd - Special Teams.

2006 = 1st - Defense, Tamba Hali DE. 2nd - Defense, Bernard Pollard S. 3rd - Offense.

2007 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Turk McBride DT/DE. 3rd - Defense, Tank Tyler DT.

2008 = 1st - Defense, Glenn Dorsey DT. 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Brandon Flowers CB. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, DaJuan Morgan S.

I really feel sick looking at all of this over the last 8 years, and we still have the 32nd ranked Defense. Blame Vermeil...blame Herm, but there has only been 1 person in charge over that entire 8 year period.

[u] Those are 15 first day Defensive players. Even if we whiffed on 4 of them, that is still an ENTIRE starting defensive team in their prime. Add to that FA's in that period like Ty Law, Pat Surtain, Napolean Harris, Donnie Edwards, Demorrio Williams, Alphonso Boone...and keep in mind Jared Allen, Jarrad Page, and Brandon Carr were second day picks and don't factor into this scenario.

Our Defense is, and has been, so horrendously broken it almost defies blame...but it doesn't. It is inexcusable.

That is sad.Sad.Sad.:shake:

Hey, what a way to start the morning!
:lin:

Yep. Sad

and to think there are some people that want Peterson to stay???

More like Pathetic. What is sad is ownership keeps these clowns around.

Anger growing stronger........... :#

But fizzles because the Chiefs have taken all the fire out of me.

Now it's just apathy and sorrow. :(

That is just plain, f****** pathetic.

It's a combination of bad drafting/scouting and bad coaches who can't develop talent.

It's ****ing pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5229301)

Yep. Sad

and to think there are some people that want Peterson to stay???

Who the hell is still supporting Peterson? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5229317)

It's a combination of bad drafting/scouting and bad coaches who can't develop talent.

It's ****ing pathetic.

,but Carl has a USFL championship ring.:D

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5229275)

2001 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - No Second pick. 3rd - Defense, Eric Downing DT. 3rd - Offense.

2002 = 1st - Defense, Ryan Sims DT. 2nd - Defense, Eddie Freeman DT. 3rd - No Third pick.

2003 = 1st - Offense. 2nd - Defense, Kawika Mitchell LB. 3rd - Defense, Julian Battle CB.

2004 = 1st - No First pick. 2nd - Defense, Junior Siavii DT. 2nd - Offense. 3rd - Defense, Keyaron Fox LB.

Those are the really bad years. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 5229370)

Those are the really bad years. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

but after that things start to look at least a little better. so maybe those years of draft suckage might have set us only back 2 years in the 5 year plan right?

Vermeil was awesome.

The whole conclusion is based on false logic. In order for the conclusion to work it requires all 8 years to be bad drafting, but only the first 4 (2001 - 2004) were really bad. This would point to DV being the one to blame. In reality the whole scouting organization top to bottom was sick during the DV years, which is why Carl is to blame.

Results from years 2006 - 2008 show evidence that the problem has been corrected. So who was the positive influence for the corrective change? We all know Herm was picked because he was the type of change Carl wanted, a coach that would play the youth. The corrective change has resulted in improvement in scouting and drafting. Proof positive are the second day picks in 2008 with players like Carr.

We all want to blame Carl and DV for the bad years and rightly so, but I also applaud Carl for the changes made resulting in what appears to be a rebuilding effort moving in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5229443)

We all want to blame Carl and DV for the bad years and rightly so, but I also applaud Carl for the changes made resulting in what appears to be a rebuilding effort moving in the right direction.

Not quite so fast there ace.

Just because they are starting on a team thats lost 17 out of their last 18 games doesn't nessesarily make them good picks or decent NFL players.