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harpes 09-30-2009 08:04 PM

Jared Allen & Tony G trade results
 
Just wondering where the rest of the planet is standing on the grade we can give for the Allen and TG trade now that it has been a little while. I know Allens numbers have been down a little but it still looks like he is making the big plays and TG is still the best. So how do you grade the trades now and would we be much better if it never happened.

HemiEd 09-30-2009 08:08 PM

I didn't like either trade, especially the JA trade. But if things don't change, 2 of the recent 2nd round picks were just cut with NO compensation.

Here is to hoping that trend is over.

Deberg_1990 09-30-2009 08:09 PM

Well, would still have only won 2 games last year and be 0-3 this year, so no effect.

Chiefnj2 09-30-2009 08:10 PM

You never trade away your young franchise QB, DE or LOT. The Allen trade was stupid from the day Peterson refused to give him an extension. Security for future DUI's could have been built in just like Minnesota did.

TG's value will depend on who the Chiefs get with his draft pick.

HemiEd 09-30-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6127239)
Well, would still have only won 2 games last year and be 0-3 this year, so no effect.

Are you ****ing serious? Especially this year I think the Chiefs would be 2-1 with just Tony, let alone both of them.

Last year, who cares, Herm would have ****ed it up with JA.

BigMeatballDave 09-30-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6127247)
Are you ****ing serious? Especially this year I think the Chiefs would be 2-1 with just Tony, let alone both of them.

Last year, who cares, Herm would have ****ed it up with JA.

We were 2-14 with TG last season. We may have beaten Oakland with both.

Skip Towne 09-30-2009 08:20 PM

I feel much like I did when the Kansas City A's traded Roger Maris to the Yankees.

RedThat 09-30-2009 08:22 PM

Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster.

But what can they do? both JA and TG wanted to leave and I don't blame them.

JA makes a huge difference. Gives the Chiefs a passrush which we all know they don't have. Passrushers make a world of a differnce he was an impact player and helped the pass defense.

TG gives the QB another receiver threat. Take him away and the passing game has one less threat and becomes less effective. Put him in there he draws double teams that simple. He opens up the passing game.

What makes me question is how would the Chiefs be if they kept JA, and actually stuck with the 4-3? How would they be if kept JA drafted Dorsey and used him the way he was used in college?

How would they be if the used Herb Taylor at LT, whom in my opinion showed something. Stuck with him, coached him and developed him. i just say this because had they not traded JA they would not have drafted Albert. So someone would have to play LT and my guess would be Taylor. I think if all this were to happen, they would have less positions to address.

ForeverChiefs58 09-30-2009 08:22 PM

Both trades get a big fat F grade for FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigMeatballDave 09-30-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6127265)
Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster.

Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Fritz88 09-30-2009 08:33 PM

JA trade =F

TG trade = remains to be seen. I like it so far.

notorious 09-30-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6127292)
Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Let's not let the facts get in the way.

RedThat 09-30-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6127292)
Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Yeah but that doesn't mean that they couldn't go 6-10 w/ them.

luv 09-30-2009 08:34 PM

A defense is more than just one player. An offense is more than just one player.

Our offense was depending way too heavily on TG. Yeah, we would have won more games, but would we have really been better off?

I think the worse trade of the two is DEFINITELY JA.

rad 09-30-2009 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6127244)
You never trade away your young franchise QB, DE or LOT. The Allen trade was stupid from the day Peterson refused to give him an extension. Security for future DUI's could have been built in just like Minnesota did.

TG's value will depend on who the Chiefs get with his draft pick.

Allen said he would not sign a contract with a clause like that in it here. He just did not want to play here, period.


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