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ChiefMojo 04-18-2012 05:11 AM
NT Josh Chapman visits the Chiefs...
 
Alabama NT Josh Chapman not only visited the Chiefs this week but he is on track to be 100% ready for training camp after recovering from ACL surgery.

I definitely like Chapman and the Washington NT over Poe. With our history of drafting SEC players, wouldn't surprise me we took Chapman in the 3rd round.

Starting to feel OG, QB, NT, etc. in the first 3-rounds.

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spanky 52 04-18-2012 05:55 AM
Also like Chapman, he may not have the desired weight but he's tough and like you said, SEC. If he's rebounding well from his ACL surgery he may go higher than the third.

the Talking Can 04-18-2012 06:26 AM
he is one tough son of a bitch...and might go in the second

not as much of a fat ass, but i'd take him

Bewbies 04-18-2012 06:32 AM
YES!!

suds79 04-18-2012 07:06 AM
Ah you can put on weight and it can serve you well at that NT position.

Look at Vince Wilfork. I Swear that man is flirting with 4 bills. He was huge when he came in the league. But nothing like now.

Unless Josh's frame simply isn't large enough to ever get to that standard 330 NT size.

... I'll take Chapman if we can't get Ta'amu.

buddha 04-18-2012 07:39 AM
Chapman is one of those quick NT kind of guys. You don't want him getting massive. Also, his knees won't take the added pressure well at this point.

I like him a lot. He's tough, he makes plays, and best of all, he's a production guy, not a potential guy.

suds79 04-18-2012 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 8550736)
Chapman is one of those quick NT kind of guys. You don't want him getting massive. Also, his knees won't take the added pressure well at this point.
If that's true then I don't want him.

I think Jay Ratliff is about the only lighter NT in the league that I can think of. Even if there is another, the other 98% of NTs in the league are your 330+ space eaters. That style has proven to be successful. I want that.

buddha 04-18-2012 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 8550741)
If that's true then I don't want him.

I think Jay Ratliff is about the only lighter NT in the league that I can think of. Even if there is another, the other 98% of NTs in the league are your 330+ space eaters. That style has proven to be successful. I want that.
Are you 12 years old? There have been many excellent "lighter" NGs. I don't necessarily advocate for one style or the other, but it's silly to say that Ratliff is about the only lighter NG.

It's not the weight that makes a NG good, btw. You can find a blob anywhere and put him there...not the answer.

Direckshun 04-18-2012 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8550671)
he is one tough son of a bitch...and might go in the second

not as much of a fat ass, but i'd take him
His ass is fat enough for our scheme.

I think he's got some pounds and inches on Kelly Gregg.

I'm really starting to sour on Ta'amu. I felt at the start of the draft season that he was more of a 4-3 NT than a 3-4 NT, but slowly started changing my mind.

I've reverted. I think Ta'amu busts as a 3-4 NT -- our system is so different from the wide-open defenses employed in the Pac 12.

Chapman is our best bet. I'd understand if the Chiefs burned a 2nd on him.

Chiefshrink 04-18-2012 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8550801)
His ass is fat enough for our scheme.

I think he's got some pounds and inches on Kelly Gregg.

I'm really starting to sour on Ta'amu. I felt at the start of the draft season that he was more of a 4-3 NT than a 3-4 NT, but slowly started changing my mind.

I've reverted. I think Ta'amu busts as a 3-4 NT -- our system is so different from the wide-open defenses employed in the Pac 12.

Chapman is our best bet. I'd understand if the Chiefs burned a 2nd on him.
So if Cox is there at 11 his athleticism does not override his light weight? I realize you need to be a space eater and he is only 300lbs but couldn't he get up to 315 and still use his athleticism to take up 2 spaces? The tape doesn't lie and I really like the way this guy plays.

RealSNR 04-18-2012 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 8550741)
If that's true then I don't want him.

I think Jay Ratliff is about the only lighter NT in the league that I can think of. Even if there is another, the other 98% of NTs in the league are your 330+ space eaters. That style has proven to be successful. I want that.
It would be nice if Josh Chapman had more weight. I'm not huge on taking only 330+ pounders, but Chapman is pretty light. 310 is about where he measures.

The reason why I'm not concerned at all about Chapman? He squats 630 lbs and benches 600. Those are the best numbers out of anyone on Alabama's team, at least at the start of last season. Poe may have had an impressive combine, but I'll betcha anything that if Chapman didn't have his injury and was able to get measured at the combine we'd be talking about HIM as the physical freak and not Poe.

It'd be nice if he could naturally get a bit heavier, but it's not a must. He's absolutely got the technique advantage over any other NT in this draft, and he'll have no problems at all in the conditioning department.

buddha 04-18-2012 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8550829)
It would be nice if Josh Chapman had more weight. I'm not huge on taking only 330+ pounders, but Chapman is pretty light. 310 is about where he measures.

The reason why I'm not concerned at all about Chapman? He squats 630 lbs and benches 600. Those are the best numbers out of anyone on Alabama's team, at least at the start of last season. Poe may have had an impressive combine, but I'll betcha anything that if Chapman didn't have his injury and was able to get measured at the combine we'd be talking about HIM as the physical freak and not Poe.

It'd be nice if he could naturally get a big heavier, but it's not a must. He's absolutely got the technique advantage over any other NT in this draft, and he'll have no problems at all in the conditioning department.
I agree. The strength of Chapman trumps any size concerns. Honestly, 310 lbs. is big enough to cause plenty of havoc if he plays with good quickness, leverage and motor. Chapman does those things...Poe doesn't.

suds79 04-18-2012 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 8550791)
Are you 12 years old? There have been many excellent "lighter" NGs. I don't necessarily advocate for one style or the other, but it's silly to say that Ratliff is about the only lighter NG.

It's not the weight that makes a NG good, btw. You can find a blob anywhere and put him there...not the answer.
Not saying you don't have to have talent. I'm just saying look at the trend of what's successful in today's NFL. That's why the position is so hard to find. There simply are not many people in the world large & strong enough to play the position.

But since you've said there have been many "lighter" NTs, go ahead and start listing. And I'll list the larger NTs. We'll see what comes out ahead.

O.city 04-18-2012 08:51 AM
I think he's big enough. The dude is ox like strong. Thats what you need. A big body thats strong and can hold his ground when a guard and center are pushing on him.

RealSNR 04-18-2012 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8550867)
I think he's big enough. The dude is ox like strong. Thats what you need. A big body thats strong and can hold his ground when a guard and center are pushing on him.
Ox strong.

Country strong.

What's TJack? Patriot way strong?


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