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Rain Man 10-03-2012 01:06 AM

Quarterback Tournament: Round 1, Heat 3
Next heat: Pick 1 from each pair for your one-game playoff.

clyde05 10-03-2012 01:38 AM

Kerry Collins made a list?

Predarat 10-03-2012 08:02 AM

Some good matchups here. Terry Collins needs more votes.

KC Tattoo 10-03-2012 08:06 AM

You misspelled Horseface.

patteeu 10-03-2012 08:12 AM

God, there are some tough people to vote for in this list.

Game 1: As much as I'd like to, I can't vote for Ken Anderson over John Elway.

Game 2: I'm not a fan of Griese and Otto Graham was apparently pretty dominant so he gets my vote.

Game 3: I was a big fan of Ken Stabler event though he played for the bad guys at the time. I want all the players on my team to have cool nicknames like "The Snake".

Game 4: I don't know how Bart Starr would fair in the modern NFL, but he gets my vote over Manning III.

Game 5: I don't know anything about Norm Snead, so he gets my vote in this matchup.

Game 6: If Donovan McNabb wasn't such a whiner, I might have voted for him over Troy Aikman, but he is so I didn't.

Game 7: I love Ron Jaworski (and he's got the cool nickname), but Tom Brady is a tough first round opponent.

Game 8: I don't really like Brett Favre much, but Sid Luckman sounds like a used car salesman and how good could he have really been coming out of the Ivy League. I'm kind of regretting this choice already.

Rain Man 10-03-2012 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by clyde05 (Post 8972431)
Kerry Collins made a list?

In one of most surprising stats in NFL history, Kerry Collins ranks 12th in NFL history in passing yards. He has more yards than Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, and even the great Ken Anderson.

Rain Man 10-03-2012 09:41 AM

Ken Anderson is one of the greatest quarterbacks in football history. Wikipedia cites his legacy as follows:

At the time of Anderson's retirement following the 1986 season, he held NFL records for consecutive pass completions (20), completion percentage for a single game (20 of 22, 90.9%, vs. Pittsburgh in 1974) and completion percentage for a season (70.6% in 1982), as well as the Super Bowl records for completion percentage (73.5%) (since broken by Phil Simms) and completions (25; Tom Brady and Drew Brees each hold the current record with 32). Anderson was ranked 6th all-time for passing yards in a career at the time of his retirement. His record for completion percentage in a season stood for 27 years after his retirement (broken by Drew Brees in 2009).

As of 2005, Anderson was among the top 30 all-time leaders in pass attempts (24th), completions (18th), passing yards (21st) and passing touchdowns (28th). He led the NFL in passing yards and completions twice and led the league in fewest interceptions per pass attempt on three occasions. He ranks fourth in NFL history for postseason quarterback rating, 93.5. He also holds the record for highest career completion percentage in the postseason at 66.3%.

Throughout his career Anderson was noted for never taking credit for a win, instead giving all the praise to his teammates. Normally after he had a big game he praised his offensive line, despite statistically having one of the worst offensive lines in NFL history (he was sacked 398 times at the time of his retirement, the most of any quarterback). Anderson played in a west coast offense at a time when running a precision offense was difficult because of the rules that were in place at the time. From 1980 until his retirement under a more liberalized passing game Anderson completed 64.1% percent of his passes while the league average throughout the 1980s was 55.5% and would be the modern equivalent of a passer completing 68.4% percent of his passes on average.
He has been nominated for the Pro Football Hall of Fame several times, and on two occasions was among the 15 finalists for enshrinement (1996 and 1998), but has not yet been voted in. In 2008, NFL Network selected Anderson as #10 on its list of top 10 players who have not yet made it into the hall of fame.[1]

In May, 2011, statistics site Cold Hard Football Facts presented a lengthy argument supporting Anderson's candidacy to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.[2]

Anderson and his first-round opponent played in the league during the same four year period from 1983 through 1986 (though Anderson played sparingly in 1985 and 1986). Anderson's QB ratings in those four years were 85.6, 81.0, 86.7, and 51.2. (In his last year he threw only 23 passes). His first-round opponent's ratings were 54.9, 76.8, 70.2, and 79.0.

Anderson's career QB rating is 81.9, despite playing his early career in the days before the liberalized pass blocking rules and passing rules. Anderson also reported as a rookie to a team that was only three years from expansion. His first-round opponent's career QB rating is a dismal 79.9, despite playing his entire career under the new easy passing rules and despite being allowed to play for a playoff-caliber team his entire career.

Rain Man 10-03-2012 09:46 AM

Game 1: Anderson, for the reasons shown below. And some other reasons.

Game 2: Otto Graham. Griese handed off really well, but Graham was a better QB.

Game 3: Jurgensen. Read up on this guy. He was a primordial Dan Marino. I didn't know much about him until this tournament.

Game 4: Bart Starr. Granted, I'm not an Eli fan due to that whole spoiled brat thing. He's a strong clutch player. But with Starr, you don't need clutch plays because he wins in the first three quarters. I may be a little biased here.

Game 5: Norm Snead. And I find it funny that Snead is beating Kerry Collins when 90 percent of us have no idea who Norm Snead is. I only know of him because I had his football card as a kid.

Game 6: Really tough one. Aikman is as solid as they come, but in his prime McNabb was an amazing playmaker. I may be a bit biased toward running QBs, but I would go with McNabb in a one-game playoff.

Game 7: Um, yeah. Brady. And I like Jaws, but ... Brady.

Game 8: I really want to vote for Luckman here, but I can't not vote for Brent Faw-vuh-ruh.

Amnorix 10-03-2012 10:04 AM

1. I hate that horse-faced bastard, but yeah.

2. Graham over Griese, and it isn't even close.

3. Jurgensen over Stabler. Jurgensen was a great, great QB back in that era. Stabler was very good, and I'd pick him over many on this list, but not Sonny.

4. Bart Starr over Eli Manning. Manning is clutch, but I think he needs to be a bit more consistent throughout the regular season etc. Even with two SB rings, nobody thinks he's in the ELITE class of QB, and certainly most thought Starr was there during his hey-day.

5. Kerry Collins, because I thought Norm Snead was a golfer. I looked him up on Wikipedia and, eh. Weakest face-off yet (wish Stabler was in this heat instead).

6. Aikman over McNabb. I think Aikman is somewhat overrated (those Cowboys teams were crazy good, with HOFers all over the field, and Aikman was very solid but lucky to be QB of such an awesome collection of talent), but McNabb never seemed to rise to the occassion under pressure. That SB against the Pats was pathetic.

7. uhh....yeah.

8. I'm no Favre fan, but give him his props. He's at least better than Luckman, a very, very good QB but not an all-time great.

Garcia Bronco 10-03-2012 10:37 AM

Sonny/Stabler is a tough choice as well as the one after them Manning/Starr

I went with Sonny and Starr for the record. I think the rest are pretty Obvious.

vailpass 10-03-2012 11:31 AM

9 votes for Ken Anderson LMAO
Not that that calls into question the integrity of the voters of course.

Amnorix 10-03-2012 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8973224)
9 votes for Ken Anderson LMAO
Not that that calls into question the integrity of the voters of course.

Quit yer bitchin'. That's still fewer than the votes for "Touchdown Seattle"!


vailpass 10-03-2012 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8973330)
Quit yer bitchin'. That's still fewer than the votes for "Touchdown Seattle"!



Rain Man 10-03-2012 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8973224)
9 votes for Ken Anderson LMAO
Not that that calls into question the integrity of the voters of course.

Yeah, I too am a little disappointed at the lack of awareness of Ken Anderson. He carried those Bengals teams on his back.

whoman69 10-03-2012 12:41 PM

I highly respect Ken Anderson, but Elway was the QB in 5 Super Bowls while Anderson had 1. Anderson could be the most accurate passer ever considering the era he played in.

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