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Direckshun 11-05-2012 08:13 AM

No on Amendment 3, Yes on Prop A, Yes on Prop B, No on Prop E.
 
Any questions?

BucEyedPea 11-05-2012 08:35 AM

Florida's Amendment 1- yes, Yes, YES!
Allows our state to opt out of Obamacare

luv 11-05-2012 09:05 AM

I'm undecided on Prop B. I agree on Amendment 3. Could you review Prop A and Prop E?

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 9085680)
I'm undecided on Prop B. I agree on Amendment 3. Could you review Prop A and Prop E?

Here's a pretty good review of A.

St. Louis is trying to have better control over their own police forces. Currently they have to run everything through state-wide appeals process, which (a.) gums up the works, and (b.) prevents a degree of self-determination for the folks of St. Louis.

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:10 AM

As for E, this was clearly a preemptive shot at Obamacare.

One of the most important aspects of the Affordable Care Act is for buying insurance to be much, much easier. State-run exchanges make that much easier.

E would ban a state-run exchange from ever being created in Missouri.

This would likely run counter to federal law, and end up in the federal court system, though I'm not sure how the courts would come down since they said that states don't have to have the Medicaid expansion dumped on them against their will -- so the courts could conceivably rule in favor of Missouri here, though I doubt it.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...sition_E_(2012)

luv 11-05-2012 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9085690)
Here's a pretty good review of A.

St. Louis is trying to have better control over their own police forces. Currently they have to run everything through state-wide appeals process, which (a.) gums up the works, and (b.) prevents a degree of self-determination for the folks of St. Louis.

Ah, ok. I remember reading some stuff on that, but didn't know which prop it was.

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:11 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_exchange

Quote:

President Obama promoted the concept of a health insurance exchange as a key component of his health reform initiative. Obama stated that it should be "...a market where Americans can one-stop shop for a health care plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that's best for them, in the same way that Members of Congress and their families can. None of these plans should deny coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition, and all of these plans should include an affordable basic benefit package that includes prevention, and protection against catastrophic costs. There are those who strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. The belief is that will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest."[10] However, the public health insurance option was ultimately dropped from the reform legislation; the insurance sold on the health insurance exchanges in the United States will, therefore, now be exclusively from the private insurers.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) sets up insurance exchanges in each state known as American Health Benefits (AHB) Exchanges. Implementation of the individual exchanges changes the practice of insuring individuals. The expansion of this market is the major focus of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act[11]. Studies have shown that increases in health care costs are driven by increases in per-case cost, not merely the overall prevalence of disease[12], thus driving the need for greater access to health coverage.

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:13 AM

http://healthreform.kff.org/faq/what...-exchange.aspx

What is a health insurance exchange?

Exchanges are new organizations that will be set up to create a more organized and competitive market for buying health insurance. They will offer a choice of different health plans, certifying plans that participate and providing information to help consumers better understand their options.

Beginning in 2014, Exchanges will serve primarily individuals buying insurance on their own and small businesses with up to 100 employees, though states can choose to include larger employers in the future. States are expected to establish Exchanges--which can be a government agency or a non-profit organization--with the federal government stepping in if a state does not set them up. States can create multiple Exchanges, so long as only one serves each geographic area, and can work together to form regional Exchanges. The federal government will offer technical assistance to help states set up Exchanges.

luv 11-05-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9085700)
As for E, this was clearly a preemptive shot at Obamacare.

One of the most important aspects of the Affordable Care Act is for buying insurance across state lines to be much, much easier. State-run exchanges make that much easier.

E would ban a state-run exchange from ever being created in Missouri.

This would likely run counter to federal law, and end up in the federal court system, though I'm not sure how the courts would come down since they said that states don't have to have the Medicaid expansion dumped on them against their will -- so the courts could conceivably rule in favor of Missouri here, though I doubt it.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...sition_E_(2012)

I actually hadn't heard of this prop. Thanks for the link and info.

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 9085710)
I actually hadn't heard of this prop. Thanks for the link and info.

No sweat. The link actually has other links in it that you can follow.

patteeu 11-05-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9085579)
Any questions?

Yeah, why? I'd like to hear your rationale on each of them.

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9085713)
Yeah, why? I'd like to hear your rationale on each of them.

I've provided my rationale for two of them.

I'm in favor of Prop B because it favors funneling additional funding to education instutitions and health institutions across Missouri by a menial cigarrette tax increase. It is the definition of taking something bad and turning it into something good.

And Amendment 3 is one of the few issues where Missouri has had a visionary system put in place to promote the election of effective judges, so visionary that a dozen other states have followed what is now called "The Missouri System."

I stand with maintaining the Nonpartisan Judicial Commision.

luv 11-05-2012 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9085725)
I've provided my rationale for two of them.

I'm in favor of Prop B because it favors funneling additional funding to education instutitions and health institutions across Missouri by a menial cigarrette tax increase. It is the definition of taking something bad and turning it into something good.

And Amendment 3 is one of the few issues where Missouri has had a visionary system put in place to promote the election of effective judges, so visionary that a dozen other states have followed what is now called "The Missouri System."

I stand with maintaining the Nonpartisan Judicial Commision.

AMEN.

patteeu 11-05-2012 09:27 AM

OK, here's my vote:

No on Amendment 3
No on A
No on B
Yes on E

Direckshun 11-05-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9085737)
No on Amendment 3

It is official, anybody who votes Yes on 3 is now opposed by both Direckshun and patteeu.

Ask yourself how many times that'll happen.


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