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Direckshun 12-06-2012 06:57 AM

Internat'l, multi-decade study: cuts really hurt growth, taxing more barely so.
 
Conducted by the IMF. Easily the most comprehensive study I have ever read.

This study examined decades of economic growth and recessions from all the major industrialized countries on earth.

The result is many different conclusions on a wide array of issues, but the two most pertinent to the fiscal cliff debate:

Conclusion 1: Active government spending can and does often impact the GDP positively. Cutting a dollar of spending can equal depriving the GDP by almost twice that much.

Conclusion 2: Tax increases, on the other hand, barely scratch growth.

There are some conclusions in there about the American economy as it currently stands, and we are clearly still struggling to get going.

If we want to cut the deficit but promote as much growth as possible, tax increases should be our vehicle of choice. Spending cuts should be minimized.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...barely-matter/

IMF: Budget cuts hurt growth a lot. But tax increases barely matter.Posted by Howard Schneider
on December 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm

A new study (pdf) by the International Monetary Fund raises a further warning flag for fiscal cliff negotiators in the U.S. In what it bills as the first-ever study of its kind, the fund analyzed decades of data on the world’s major industrialized countries to estimate how changes in government spending or revenue affect economic output.

The news isn’t good. Given current circumstances, with a U.S. economy that is growing but still trying to make up lost ground from the 2008 crisis, a one dollar change in government spending could knock as much as $1.80 in output from the economy – what fund researchers called a “statistically significant…and sizeable” outcome.

One brighter spot that could also influence negotiators: the growth impact of a tax hike is estimated to be negligible. The list of measures that automatically become law absent an agreement include both spending reductions and tax increases. While the spending cuts would comprise a heavy drag on growth, the fund paper suggests that a one percent rise in tax revenue would knock just 0.1 percent from gross domestic product.

Overall, however, the paper reinforces what has become the IMF’s recent mantra on cutting government deficits: in a recovery that remains vulnerable, slower is better: “When feasible a more gradual fiscal…consolidation is likely to prove preferable to an approach that aims at ‘getting it over quickly.’”

The size of the so-called “fiscal multiplier” is key to assessing how the tax and spending changes approaching under the fiscal cliff will hit the broader economy. Fiscal multipliers have been an intense subject of research at the fund in recent years, as austerity measures in places like Greece have seemed to undermine growth so deeply they become counterproductive.

The fund said that what makes today’s study unique is that it correlates spending and tax impacts to whether a country is operating near or well below capacity – in economic parlance, the size of the “output gap.” Following the sharp downturn in 2008, most developed nations are still struggling to recover.

Direckshun 12-06-2012 06:57 AM

The IMF study: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12286.pdf

BucEyedPea 12-06-2012 08:29 AM

Sounds like socialist disinformation. Oh wait! The IMF? Seriously an international socialist organization. That proves my point.
That's appealing to the wrong authorities.

patteeu 12-06-2012 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9184821)
Sounds like socialist disinformation. Oh wait! The IMF? Seriously an international socialist organization. That proves my point.
That's appealing to the wrong authorities.

Direckshun found a study that tells him what he wants to hear.

Ebolapox 12-06-2012 10:18 AM

so... spending out of control is a GOOD thing? yeah, bullshit.

blaise 12-06-2012 10:22 AM

We should write a check for a 100 trillion dollars and then we'll all be rich.

petegz28 12-06-2012 10:26 AM

If all this government spending is sooooo good for economies, then why is half of Europe going broke?

alpha_omega 12-06-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

...Conducted by the IMF...
Seemed like a good place to stop reading.

GoChargers 12-06-2012 12:04 PM

Yeah, continuing the status quo is a great plan. Just look at wild economic success stories of the Weimar Republic, Zimbabwe, early-'90s Yugoslavia, and 1940's Hungary!

patteeu 12-06-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9185059)
If all this government spending is sooooo good for economies, then why is half of Europe going broke?

Imagine how broke they'd be if they allowed the free market to run only moderately encumbered like we do.

vailpass 12-06-2012 03:00 PM

Among the many things I respect about direckshun is his/her/it's ability to select posting material based strictly on merits and validity without being influenced by any personal agenda, hidden or otherwise.

BucEyedPea 12-06-2012 03:00 PM

The reasons these socialist cats claim cuts hurt growth is because they're talking about govt growth or the need to command an economy which to them, costs money to pay their bureaucrats. Kinda like GDP which includes govt spending where the left claims Obama's GDP has improved. They just never really make it clear.

CoMoChief 12-06-2012 04:11 PM

Wish Direkshun would just jump off a cliff.

I bet if Obama told him it was a great idea he'd do it.


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