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Direckshun 12-27-2012 12:36 AM

More gun control = fewer gun deaths.
 
The Legal Community Against Violence conducted a study where they compared the rigidity of the gun control laws in all 50 states and the gun-related deaths.

Their conclusion:

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Our ranking reveals that many of the states with the strongest gun laws
also have the lowest gun death rates. Conversely, many states with the weakest gun laws have the
highest gun death rates. Although it is beyond the scope of this publication to demonstrate a causal
relationship between state gun laws and gun death rates, the data provides support for the argument
that gun laws are a signifi cant factor in a state’s rate of gun deaths.vi More research is needed to
determine the precise relationship between state gun laws and gun death rates.
Here's the study, it's an insanely easy read, I'd recommend checking it out. I included the article below as a casual summary of the study's findings.

The recommendations of the study:

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BEST PRACTICES

DEALER LAWS
  • Require all fi rearms dealers to obtain a license and pass a background check (CA, HI, MA, NJ, PA, RI, WA)
  • Prohibit dealers in residential and other sensitive areas (MA)
  • Require employee background checks (CT, DE, NJ, VA, WA)
  • Require security measures (AL, CA, CT, MA, MN, NJ, PA, RI, WV)
  • Require sales record reporting to state and local law enforcement (CT)
PRIVATE SALE LAWS
  • Require all fi rearm transfers are to be conducted through licensed dealers (CA)
  • If transfers are not conducted through dealers, require private sellers to: 1) conduct background checks
    through a central law enforcement agency (RI); 2) maintain sales records for a lengthy period (IL);
    or 3) report sales to state and local law enforcement (MA)
AMMUNITION LAWS
  • Require sellers to be licensed (MA)
  • Require sales record-keeping (CA — handgun ammunition)vii
  • Require license to purchase or posses ammunition (IL, MA)
  • Require ammunition sellers to store ammunition safely (CA — handgun ammunition)viii
  • Require handgun microstamping (technology that allows a fi rearm to imprint a serial number
    and other information onto a cartridge case when fi red) (CA)
ASSAULT WEAPONS
  • Defi ne assault weapon based on generic features that characterize assault weapons and use
    one-feature test (CA for rifl es and pistols, NJ for shotguns)
  • Prohibit broad range of activities such as possession, manufacture, sale (CA, CT, NJ have the
    broadest prohibitions)
  • If weapons possessed prior to the ban are grandfathered, require registration with strict limits
    on transferability, use and storage (CA, CT)
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
  • Defi ne “large capacity ammunition magazine” to include magazines capable of holding in excess
    of 10 rounds (HI, CA, MA, NY)
  • Apply ban to large capacity ammunition magazines for use with all fi rearms (CA, MD, MA, NJ, NY)
  • Prohibit broad range of activities such as possession, manufacture, sale (NJ, NY are the
    most comprehensive)
  • Do not grandfather magazines possessed prior to the ban (HI, MD, NJ)
FIFTY CALIBER RIFLES
  • Prohibit broad range of activities such as possession, manufacture, sale (CA)
  • If weapons possessed prior to the ban are grandfathered, require registration with strict limits
    on transferability, use and storage (CA)
LICENSING
  • Require license for possession of any fi rearm, and require license to be shown prior to
    purchase of any fi rearm (IL, MA)
  • Require background check for license (HI, IL, MA, NJ), (handguns — CT, IA, MI, NY, NC)
  • Require safety training and/or testing (MA), (handguns — CA, CT, HI, MI, RI)
  • Limit duration of license (HI, IL, MA), (handguns — CA, CT, IA, MI, NJ, NC)
  • Require background check and testing for renewal (MA)
REGISTRATION
  • Require registration for all fi rearms (HI)
  • Include identifying information about owner, fi rearm, and source from which fi rearm was obtained (HI)
  • Require retention of fi rearm sales records (CA — handguns)
CARRYING CONCEALED FIREARMS
  • Prohibit carrying of concealed fi rearms (IL, WI)
  • If concealed carry is allowed, require a permit and give the issuer discretion based on strict guidelines (AL,
    CA, DE, HI, MA, NJ, NY, RI issue permits only for good cause to persons of good character)
OPENLY CARRYING FIRERAMS
  • Prohibit open carry of handguns (FL, IL, TX)
  • Prohibit open carry of long guns (FL, MA, MN)
LOCAL AUTHORITY
  • Allow broad local regulation of fi rearms (CT, HI, IL, MA, NJ, NY)
  • If broad local regulation is not allowed, allow substantial regulation (CA, NE)

Gun control absolutely must be part of any package designed to reduce gun violence.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012...ess-gun-deaths

Study: States with more gun control have less gun deaths
By Bob Egelko, San Francisco Chronicle
Wed, 12/26/2012 - 1:03pm

Connecticut has more restrictions on gun ownership than most states, so gun-rights advocates argue the Dec. 14 schoolhouse massacre there illustrates the futility of gun control.

But a new study by a pro-gun control San Francisco organization reaches the opposite conclusion: States with the most restrictive laws, including Connecticut and California, have lower rates of gun-related deaths, while states with few limits on firearms have the highest rates.

In 2009 and 2010, the most recent years for which information is available, California had the nation’s strongest gun controls and the ninth-lowest rate of gun deaths, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which favors firearms regulation. Connecticut had the fourth-strongest gun laws and was sixth-lowest in gun deaths, while Hawaii ranked fifth in gun control and had the lowest death rate.

At the other end of the scale, the report found that Alaska, Louisiana and Montana -- all graded F for gun control -- had the highest rates of deaths caused by gunfire, more than double California’s rate. The law center graded all 50 states and gave an F, for weak regulation, to 24 of them.

In 2010, the report said, quoting the federal Centers for Disease Control, California had 7.88 gun deaths for each 100,000 residents, compared with rates of 3.31 in Hawaii and 20.28 in Alaska.

More research is needed on the links between specific weapons regulations and fatalities, but “the data supports the common-sense conclusion that gun laws are a significant factor in a state’s rate of gun deaths,” said the report.

Since the report’s release last month, The Chronicle has forwarded it for comment to four gun-rights organizations: the National Rifle Association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, Gun Owners of America and its state affiliate, Gun Owners of California. None replied to calls or e-mails.

Other recent studies have reached similar conclusions. A researcher at the University of Alabama at Birmingham reported in July that states requiring comprehensive background checks before gun purchases had lower death rates than those without such requirements.

But as long as the federal government leaves gun regulations largely up to each state, the effectiveness of any state’s laws is inherently limited, said Laura Cutiletta, an attorney at the law center that conducted the study.

California, for example, bans most semiautomatic rifles, including the Bushmaster .223 that Adam Lanza used to kill 20 students and six educators at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school this month. But the rifles are legal in neighboring Nevada, and can be taken easily -- though illegally -- to California.

The Bushmaster is also legal in Connecticut, a circumstance that Cutiletta said illustrates the modest level of gun regulation even in states ranked high in the law center’s survey.

While Connecticut is one of about 10 states with any restrictions on semiautomatic rifles, it prohibits them only if they have certain additional features, such as a pistol grip and a folding or collapsible stock.

The Bushmaster that Lanza reportedly used-was a version of the widely sold AR-15 rifle, and had been legally purchased by his mother, whom he killed before taking her guns and heading to the school.

A federal assault weapons law, in effect from 1994 to 2004, also banned semiautomatic weapons only if they had specific features. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., sponsored that law after a gunman used assault weapons to kill eight people and then took his own life at 101 California St. in San Francisco.

Feinstein is proposing a more far-reaching national law in the wake of the Newtown bloodbath.

Although the federal law has been widely regarded as ineffectual, Cutiletta cited a 2004 study commissioned by President George W. Bush’s Justice Department that found assault weapon use in gun crimes dropped by 17 to 72 percent in six cities during the decade. On the other hand, use of large-caliber ammunition magazines increased through the late 1990s, probably because the ban did not apply to weapons acquired before 1994, the study said.

listopencil 12-27-2012 12:44 AM

Have they separated homicides from suicides, or are they lumping those two together?

Direckshun 12-27-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9243230)
Have they separated homicides from suicides, or are they lumping those two together?

Lumped together.

listopencil 12-27-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9243242)
Lumped together.


Hmmm. I'd like to compare the gun suicide numbers to the suicide numbers by state, also look at the list geographically.

DementedLogic 12-27-2012 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9243217)
At the other end of the scale, the report found that Alaska, Louisiana and Montana -- all graded F for gun control -- had the highest rates of deaths caused by gunfire, more than double California’s rate. The law center graded all 50 states and gave an F, for weak regulation, to 24 of them.

In 2010, the report said, quoting the federal Centers for Disease Control, California had 7.88 gun deaths for each 100,000 residents, compared with rates of 3.31 in Hawaii and 20.28 in Alaska.

California has the 4th highest firearm related homicide rate in the country. What a stupid example to use.

AustinChief 12-27-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9243242)
Lumped together.

At which point the study becomes completely worthless. Unless of course you believe that guns actually contribute significantly to suicide rates... which of course you'd have to be a moron to believe. Run the report with gun HOMICIDE data and I'll look at it, otherwise its no better than the garbage Direckshun spews in every other thread.

listopencil 12-27-2012 03:37 AM

This is from 2004 so it may be somewhat outdated. It's also a wikipedia article, so take it with a grain of salt. I would imagine that this info can be verified though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vio...tates_by_state

California is listed as the 4th worst state for number of homicides committed with firearms. That would be the state that was graded as #1 overall in strictness of gun legislation.

Connecticut is listed as the 13th best state for number of homicides committed with firearms. That would be the state that was graded as #5 overall in strictness of gun legislation.

Why the disparity? Because the statistics you've presented in this thread aren't relevant. Look what happens when you examine the relevant statistic:

California is ranked 4th worst in firearms homicides in the nation. California is ranked 8th worst in homicides in the nation.

Connecticut is ranked 13th best in firearms homicides in the nation. Connecticut is ranked 14th best in homicides in the nation.

So, taking in those statistics, it would seem that there are states in our nation that are more deadly to live in than others, and that gun legislation has little to no effect on that. Of course that is only comparing two states. Perhaps if you were to examine more data you would see a different pattern? Go state by state and compare the homicide rate to the firearms homicide rate.

teedubya 12-27-2012 03:41 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

The UK calls for ban on Kitchen Knives.

listopencil 12-27-2012 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9243296)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

The UK calls for ban on Kitchen Knives.

I find myself hoping that this is a fake article.

teedubya 12-27-2012 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9243297)
I find myself hoping that this is a fake article.

Dude, violent crime is on the rise. Take away the sharp knives. :)

It's BBC.co.uk It's not the UK Onion. heh

listopencil 12-27-2012 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9243298)
Dude, violent crime is on the rise. Take away the sharp knives. :)

It's BBC.co.uk It's not the UK Onion. heh


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mikey23545 12-27-2012 05:06 AM

I think all scissors should have to be those blunt kindergarten scissors as well.

That way we could all run with impunity...

2bikemike 12-27-2012 05:29 AM

So Many holes in this article its pretty pathetic.

I find it funny the specific mention of the Bushmaster being illegal in Calif. Which is true however you can purchase any number of "Off List Lower" In other words if it isn't a name brand you can get it. Lots of AR-15 style rifles legal in Calif.

Also California does not keep track of ammo purchases. They tried but failed to bring that to fruition.

Wisconsin does allow for concealed carry.

And Nobody is requiring micro stamping of Ammo.


Typical Liberal spin and manipulation of data to try and further spread misinformation.

I will call this a total fail. Another swing and a miss by the resident dipshit.

JonesCrusher 12-27-2012 06:26 AM

but we don't research gun violence. Must be a bogus study.

Direckshun 12-27-2012 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9243321)
And Nobody is requiring micro stamping of Ammo.

What Google turned up for me just now:

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Microstamping legislation was passed in California AB 1471 and signed into law on October 14, 2007, but specifically exempts law enforcement.


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