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Direckshun 01-18-2013 08:37 AM

Congressional term limits has constitutional amendment-level support.
 
To review, to pass a constitutional amendment, you need 2/3 support of both the House and the Senate, and 3/4 of the states.

We now have that with the American public.

The electoral college is not far behind -- 60% support.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159881/am...l-college.aspx

Americans Call for Term Limits, End to Electoral College
Virtually no partisan disagreement on these long-discussed constitutional reforms
by Lydia Saad
January 18, 2013

PRINCETON, NJ -- Even after the 2012 election in which Americans re-elected most of the sitting members of the U.S. House and Senate -- as is typical in national elections -- three-quarters of Americans say that, given the opportunity, they would vote "for" term limits for members of both houses of Congress.

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Republicans and independents are slightly more likely than Democrats to favor term limits; nevertheless, the vast majority of all party groups agree on the issue. Further, Gallup finds no generational differences in support for the proposal.

These findings, from Gallup Daily tracking conducted Jan. 8-9, are similar to those from 1994 to 1996 Gallup polls, in which between two-thirds and three-quarters of Americans said they would vote for a constitutional amendment to limit the number of terms that members of Congress and the U.S. Senate can serve.

More Than Six in 10 Would Abolish Electoral College

Americans are nearly as open to major electoral reform when it comes to doing away with the Electoral College. Sixty-three percent would abolish this unique, but sometimes controversial, mechanism for electing presidents that was devised by the framers of the Constitution. While constitutional and statutory revisions have been made to the Electoral College since the nation's founding, numerous efforts to abolish it over the last 200+ years have met with little success.

There is even less partisan variation in support for this proposal than there is for term limits, with between 61% and 66% of all major party groups saying they would vote to do away with the Electoral College if they could. Similarly, between 60% and 69% of all major age groups take this position.

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Gallup has asked Americans about the Electoral College in a number of ways over the years, and regardless of the precise phrasing, large majorities have always supported doing away with it. That includes 80% support in 1968 and 67% in 1980 with wording similar to what is used today.

Compared with today, support for abolishing it was slightly lower from 2000 through 2011, ranging from 59% to 62%, when using a question that asked Americans if they would rather amend the Constitution so the candidate who wins the most votes nationally wins the election, or keep the current system in which the winner is decided in the Electoral College.

Gallup trends show that Republicans were far less supportive than Democrats of abolishing the Electoral College in late 2000, when Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush had lost the popular vote, but was fighting a legal battle to win Florida and therefore the Electoral College. Since then, however, Republicans have gradually become less protective of the Electoral College, to the point that by 2011, a solid majority of Republicans were in favor of abolishing it.

Bottom Line

Large majorities of Americans are in favor of establishing term limits for members of the U.S. House and Senate, and doing away with the Electoral College. Despite sharp polarization of the parties on many issues in 21st century politics, Republicans and Democrats broadly agree on both longstanding election reform proposals.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 08:49 AM

I love how the left likes to use the wisdom of the mob to alter our Constitution. Democracy is not the best form of govt. It's a mistake to abolish the EC.
Term limits, I can't agree to for the House since they have to be re-elected every two years. The senate perhaps due to their longer term.
However, I'd prefer we go back to state legislatures picking senators. This way if a senator is not acting on behalf of his state he can be removed.

There's no guarantee that term limits will solve our problems as another guy could be just as bad.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-18-2013 08:51 AM

Like the term limit idea, but wouldn't a straight popular vote even further entrench our political system into the 2 party system we now have? I'm pretty much a protest 3rd party voter bc I live in MO and it will probably be red for the rest of my life, but in a popular vote system I'd probably vote R out of guilt. Eventually we'd see no more 3rd party candidates, or a shift in R ideology, towards more libertarian ideology, which would actually be ideal, so maybe it would be good in the long run.
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King_Chief_Fan 01-18-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9330396)
I love how the left likes to use the wisdom of the mob to alter our Constitution. Democracy is not the best form of govt. It's a mistake to abolish the EC.
Term limits, I can't agree to for the House since they have to be re-elected every two years. The senate perhaps due to their longer term.
However, I'd prefer we go back to state legislatures picking senators. This way if a senator is not acting on behalf of his state he can be removed.

There's no guarantee that term limits will solve our problems as another guy could be just as bad.

that doesn't sound like one of your smarter responses.
You don't keep crap out of fear of getting more crap.
I have to tell managers this all the time.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9330404)
that doesn't sound like one of your smarter responses.
You don't keep crap out of fear of getting more crap.
I have to tell managers this all the time.

Well, that's your opinion. Seems to me that term limits is already in force in Congress as people are getting replaced through the vote, which is essentially term limits.

Frazod 01-18-2013 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9330396)
I love how the left likes to use the wisdom of the mob to alter our Constitution. Democracy is not the best form of govt. It's a mistake to abolish the EC.
Term limits, I can't agree to for the House since they have to be re-elected every two years. The senate perhaps due to their longer term.
However, I'd prefer we go back to state legislatures picking senators. This way if a senator is not acting on behalf of his state he can be removed.

There's no guarantee that term limits will solve our problems as another guy could be just as bad.

I don't see how anyone (other than the shitbags in Congress) wouldn't support term limits. Two terms in the Senate, five in the House, and then GET THE **** OUT. I am sick of being held hostage by douchebags from other states who eternally reelect scumbags like Pelosi and Feinswine.

cosmo20002 01-18-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9330417)
I don't see how anyone (other than the shitbags in Congress) wouldn't support term limits. Two terms in the Senate, five in the House, and then GET THE **** OUT. I am sick of being held hostage by douchebags from other states who eternally reelect scumbags like Pelosi and Feinswine.

So sad when people attack the Constitution. Traitor.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9330417)
I don't see how anyone (other than the shitbags in Congress) wouldn't support term limits. Two terms in the Senate, five in the House, and then GET THE **** OUT. I am sick of being held hostage by douchebags from other states who eternally reelect scumbags like Pelosi and Feinswine.

Do you honestly think, San Francisco would not elect someone similar to Nancy Pelosi?
Or Feinstein from the People's Republic of California? I mean it's the moonbat state with lots of poor illegals and Hispanics. These seats are known as very safe seats. The problem is the people from that area.

Here's another thing. We usually hear how the approval rating of congress is so low. I frankly don't see a difference between the 11% from the 9%. What is missing from such a poll is what it is about congress most people don't like. I'd like to see a breakdown on that. I mean if Obama's ratings are so much better, is it because they're blocking his agenda or is it because they're not blocking it enough. I wonder if any tally by category has a large enough majority to matter? Polls show spending is a problem but Obama wants more, gets re-elected and the Rs complain about it but still give him what he wants on spending. There's some sort of disconnection imo.

People may hate congress but it looks to me that some districts don't feel it applies to their rep.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9330431)
So sad when people attack the Constitution. Traitor.

The amendment process is the correct way to go, but I just hate to water the document down too much—particularly the EC for presidential elections, which is aimed at making it more democratic. "Democracy is the road to socialism."- Marx

Frazod 01-18-2013 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9330434)
Do you honestly think, San Francisco would not elect someone similar to Nancy Pelosi?
Or Feinstein from the People's Republic of California? I mean it's the moonbat state with lots of poor illegals and Hispanics. These seats are known as very safe seats. The problem is the people from that area.

Here's another thing. We usually hear how the approval rating of congress is so low. I frankly don't see a difference between the 11% from the 9%. What is missing from such a poll is what it is about congress most people don't like. I'd like to see a breakdown on that. I mean if Obama's ratings are so much better, is it because they're blocking his agenda or is it because they're not blocking it enough. I wonder if any tally by category has a large enough majority to matter? Polls show spending is a problem but Obama wants more, gets re-elected and the Rs complain about it but still give him what he wants on spending. There's some sort of disconnection imo.

People may hate congress but it looks to me that some districts don't feel it applies to their rep.

I understand that the Kalifornia ****tards would elect another Pelosi clone. But it wouldn't be Pelosi - entrenched and connected. The main benefit would be regularly shaking up committee assignments - no Ted Stevens endlessly funneling billions to Alaska, for example (see, I used a Republic example - maybe ****mo200002 will stop crying now).

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 09:20 AM

California passed a term limits law. What was the result?
Their Legislature became more left-wing and corrupt than it has ever been.

Don't throw the good out with the bad.

Frazod 01-18-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9330456)
California passed a term limits law and yet the Legislature has become more left-wing and corrupt than ever. It throws the good out with the bad.

So what? The nation isn't Kalifornia.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9330459)
So what? The nation isn't Kalifornia.

It still throws out the good with the bad. Besides, like I pointed out, we have term limits. It's called voting. Term limits are happening.

I'd rather see a big push for following the Constitution. Imo, it's the root of our problems. But that takes educating the people too.

Frazod 01-18-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9330467)
It still throws out the good with the bad. Besides, like I pointed out, we have term limits. It's called voting. Term limits are happening.

I'd rather see a big push for following the Constitution. Imo, it's the root of our problems. But that takes educating the people too.

The bad vastly outweighs the good at this point. Congress needs an enema in the worst way.

Of course, this is all sky pie anyway. It will never happen. They won't allow it.

BucEyedPea 01-18-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9330498)
The bad vastly outweighs the good at this point. Congress needs an enema in the worst way.

I think having 8 out of 11 Paulies winning in the House is an improvement. Moderate Rs lost their seats. Only, the Ds that got in, are more stridently left. But I can see these two forming a coalition on certain issues. So it's not all bad there. I LOVE that the House Rs remain bulwark against Obama's agenda, but my complaint is they don't have a spine on stopping spending. I see they're going to allow him the debt limit rise again.

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Of course, this is all sky pie anyway. It will never happen. They won't allow it.
True


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