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Direckshun 01-24-2013 04:19 PM

Holy smokes. 200K didn't vote in Florida because of ridiculously long lines.
 
You should not have to sacrifice half of a work day when you can't afford it to vote.

This demands reform. All states across the board should, at the very minimum, allow for early voting.

Thoughts?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...te-ken-detzner

Analysis: 201,000 in Florida didn't vote because of long lines
By Scott Powers and David Damron, Orlando Sentinel
January 23, 2013

Analyzing data compiled by the Orlando Sentinel, Ohio State University professor Theodore Allen estimated last week that at least 201,000 voters likely gave up in frustration on Nov. 6, based on research Allen has been doing on voter behavior.

His preliminary conclusion was based on the Sentinel's analysis of voter patterns and precinct-closing times in Florida's 25 largest counties, home to 86 percent of the state's 11.9 million registered voters.

"My gut is telling me that the real number [of voters] deterred is likely higher," Allen said. "You make people wait longer, they are less likely to vote."

Around the state, nearly 2 million registered voters live in precincts that stayed open at least 90 minutes past the scheduled 7 p.m. closing time, according to Sentinel analysis of voting data obtained from county elections supervisors. Of those, 561,000 voters live in precincts that stayed open three extra hours or longer.

And two of the five counties with the worst lines were in Central Florida. In Orange and Osceola counties, as many as 48 percent of those who cast votes on Election Day live in precincts that closed at least 90 minutes late, the analysis showed.

Elections supervisors have blamed the long lines and delays on the cutback of early-voting days from 14 to eight that was ordered by the 2011 Legislature, a record-long ballot that included 11 lengthy constitutional amendments and a 71 percent turnout for a hotly contested presidential election. Indeed, Gov. Rick Scott said last week he'd back legislation restoring the early-voting days and restricting ballot length.

But the Sentinel analysis also showed that — even in the worst-performing counties — long lines were the exception rather than the rule. In Orange and Miami-Dade, for example, more than half the precincts, including many large ones, closed before 8 p.m.

And some of the state's largest counties — notably Duval (Jacksonville) and Pinellas (St. Petersburg) — reported almost all precincts were closed by 8:30 p.m.

"As a whole and totality, with 8.5 million voters, I have to say Florida did a good election," said Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner. "But in isolated areas, I think we find there were some management issues that could have been improved upon."

Still, according to Allen's analysis of the data, the lengthy lines lowered actual turnout by roughly 2.3 percent per hour of delay.

Said Jennifer Bitz, who said she waited more than five hours to vote at her Cape Coral precinct, "I must have seen 15 people, at least, just give up and leave off the line. I was absolutely livid. People [in line] were saying it was some sort of conspiracy."

Lee County, where she lives, ranked worst in the Sentinel analysis. Its last precinct didn't close until 2:54 a.m. Wednesday — nearly eight hours late. In all, 54 percent of the county's voters were in precincts that stayed open past 8:30 p.m — and half, or 27 percent, voted in precincts still open at 10 p.m.

"It was clear we didn't have enough scanners," said Virginia Jones, a Sanibel Democrat who spent eight hours in line and didn't vote until 11:20 p.m.

In documents provided to the state, Lee elections officials conceded its resources were inadequate, and "what we deployed on [Nov. 6] turned out not to be sufficient." Despite a 70,000 increase in registered voters since 2008, the county slashed its number of polling places from 136 to 88 and dispatched fewer ballot-scanning machines.

"The biggest surprise is that people waited so long," Allen said of his review, saying he would have expected the length of the lines to discourage even more voters. Overall, the 201,000 voters he indicated gave up equaled 2.3 percent of the Election Day turnout.

In Florida, he concluded, the lost voters appeared to favor President Barack Obama. Of the 201,000 "missing" votes, 108,000 likely would have voted for Obama and 93,000 for Republican Mitt Romney, he said.

This suggests that Obama's margin over Romney in Florida could have been roughly 15,000 votes higher than it was. Obama carried the state by 74,309 votes out of more than 8.4 million cast.

Allen's first analysis of the impact of long lines at the polls was done in 2004, when he estimated that long lines in Ohio's Franklin County, where Ohio State is located, discouraged at least 20,000 voters from casting ballots in the razor-close contest between President George W. Bush and Democrat John Kerry. He has continued his research in every election since.

pr_capone 01-24-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9348457)
Holy smokes. 201K didn't vote in Florida because of ridiculously long lines.

FYTT... and I agree.

BucEyedPea 01-24-2013 04:40 PM

It was bad. I never ever saw it like that here either. What's needed is not more early voting—BUT—more polling places. The place where I voted was smaller, fewer booths, than the previous two elections here as well.

BigRedChief 01-24-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9348514)
It was bad. I never ever saw it like that here either. What's needed is not more early voting—BUT—more polling places. The place where I voted was smaller, fewer booths, than the previous two elections here as well.

The Republican director admitted they did it to tamp down the vote. I think it backfired. People went to the polls pissed off.

BTW, our nincompoop governor has reversed himself and is now talking about expanding voting hours and places, The fact that he is running for reelection probably has nothing to do with it.

Garcia Bronco 01-24-2013 08:04 PM

It should be a holiday where nothing is open.

Dayze 01-24-2013 08:30 PM

I didn't vote, not because of long lines but rather....because its ****ing pointless

Direckshun 01-24-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9349164)
It should be a holiday where nothing is open.

Amen.

ClevelandBronco 01-24-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9349164)
It should be a holiday where nothing is open.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9349292)
Amen.

Then I'm going to have to insist that we do away with one. And I don't mean Arbor Day or Cesar Chávez Day or some shit like that. I mean a real one.

And don't even suggest Christmas, you freaking atheists.

Direckshun 01-24-2013 08:50 PM

Why don't we just have it on Veterans Day? It's like right next to it on the calendar, and it's the perfect way to celebrate the sacrifices of our brothers and sisters.

BucEyedPea 01-24-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9349124)
The Republican director admitted they did it to tamp down the vote. I think it backfired. People went to the polls pissed off.

Name this guy. I also don't believe you or your analysis.

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BTW, our nincompoop governor has reversed himself and is now talking about expanding voting hours and places, The fact that he is running for reelection probably has nothing to do with it.
"Our" nincompoop governor? You've hardly lived here to be talking like this. I think he's done a good job especially on balancing the budget.

BigRedChief 01-24-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9349304)
Name this guy. I also don't believe you or your analysis.

Former head of the Florida Republican party Jim Greer.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/ne...er-play/nTFDy/

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9349304)
"Our" nincompoop governor? You've hardly lived here to be talking like this. I think he's done a good job especially on balancing the budget.

I guess you are one of the 23% who support him. From Tampa Times poll
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...y-area/1267137

Quinnepac state wide:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/S...184105651.html

Florida voters disapprove of the way Rick Scott has handled his job as governor and a majority of his own Republican party would prefer another candidate to challenge him in the 2014 primary, according to a newly released survey by Quinnipiac University.


Forty-five percent of voters said they disapproved of Scott’s performance, while only 36 percent of voters said they thought Scott was doing a good job, the survey said.


Meanwhile, 53 percent of Republicans said they wanted another candidate to compete against Scott in the next primary for governor, the survey said. Overall, Republicans gave Scott a 63-to-19 percent job approval rating, and said 55-to-26 percent that he deserves a second term.

“Gov. Rick Scott's ratings with voters are just plain awful. The numbers cannot be sugar-coated," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "When voters in a politician's own party want him to be challenged in a primary by another candidate, it's difficult to see it as anything but outright rejection.”

BucEyedPea 01-24-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9349338)
Former head of the Florida Republican party Jim Greer.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/ne...er-play/nTFDy/

Greer has been accused of criminal acts. Crist is a an ex-GOPer with an axe to grind and was really a progressive wearing GOP clothing.
Crist is a pos, imo. Much worse than Scott. That's who you have a sources. LOL!


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I guess you are one of the 23% who support him. From Tampa Times poll
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...y-area/1267137
So you vote according to herd mentality? Sheep vote that way.
Scott balanced the budget. I like that. Some other things I didn't like.Like cutting BF's. However, Lotto sales were down. But really, the choices were not all that great either. And Scott inherited a huge mess....just like Obama which people like you use as an excuse. No one is happy when there isn't enough money coming in to go around. T'is to be expected.

BigRedChief 01-24-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9349358)
Greer has been accused of criminal acts. Crist is a an ex-GOPer with an axe to grind and was really a progressive wearing GOP clothing.
Crist is a pos, imo. Much worse than Scott.




So you vote according to herd mentality? Sheep vote that way.
Scott balanced the budget. I like that. Some other things I didn't like. But really, the choices were not all that great either. Like cutting BF's. However, Lotto sales were down.

Bottom line my statements were true and I provided facts and links to back up my opinion and conclusion on the shitty performance of our nincompoop governor.:harumph:

He's a RWNJ convicted of defrauding medicare of billions. Why he's not in jail little own elected governor goes to the idiot voters in Florida.

BucEyedPea 01-24-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9349360)
Bottom line my statements were true and I provided facts and links to back up my opinion and conclusion on the shitty performance of our nincompoop governor.:harumph:

Like I said, you haven't been here long enough to call him "our." You're an outsider who got a job here.

Facts? Did you know Scott has been cleaning up the mess Crist left behind? That Greer has been accused of criminal acts? Those are you used for your sources on facts.

cosmo20002 01-24-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9349304)
Name this guy. I also don't believe you or your analysis.

BEP calling someone out for additional proof. ROFL

Let me know when you're ready to back up your claim of Obama voter fraud--more votes than voters. ROFL


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