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Prison Bitch 01-27-2013 04:11 PM

"The GOP is dead!" - say what????
 
I'm curious to know why this keeps getting thrown out there. Obviously, the leftwing media is pushing the meme as hard as they can. That's the main culprit. But I'm wondering why all these GOP folks are bashing the party (Christie, Jindal, Powell, etc) and saying it "has to change".


Fact: the Presidential election was won by the incumbent. Like it nearly always is. Like nearly all elections are and have been. But many people seem shocked by it. If we look at the Conressional elections for the House, the vote was essentially even at 53 million per Party. How is that a landslide in terms of voter preference?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2096978.html


Fact: In 2014, Democrats hold 9 of the top 10 Senate seats projected to have the highest likelihood of switching. You can probably add Iowa to that list now with Harkin leaving:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ough-2014-map/



Here's the current tally of US Leadership:

1) The GOP has a 230-200 lead in the House with a 54-46% lead in reps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_U...tates_Congress

2) The GOP has 30 Governorships now, their highest total since 34 during the 1920s:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/06/politi...ces/index.html

3) The GOP has a 31-17 advantage in State Houses, with a 55-44% lead in State Reps:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...f_state_houses

4) The GOP has a 28-19 advantage in State Senates, with 52-44% lead in total Senators:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph..._state_senates




Net: If you want to talk about a bad time for the GOP, the 1930s and the 1960s (look at the carnage here after the 1964 elections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_Un...tates_Congress). Those were terrible times. Totally shut out of power at every level of Federal & State government. But that is hardly the case today. The gnashing of teeth may stop at any moment.

suzzer99 01-27-2013 04:13 PM

The GOP governs much more land, partly due to gerrymandering. But they're losing the population battle, and slipping further all the time.

LiveSteam 01-27-2013 04:14 PM

Christie, Jindal, Powell, are all rino's
You know? republican in name only.

I hate that fat ****ing slob of a loud mouth Christie.

Prison Bitch 01-27-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 9355891)
The GOP governs much more land, partly due to gerrymandering. But they're losing the population battle, and slipping further all the time.


Did you bother to read the stats on actual vote counts? A split of the House vote nationwide has nothing to do with "gerrymandering".

BigRedChief 01-27-2013 04:15 PM

As Clinton would say............. It's Demographics stupid.

If Latinos stay at a 70/30 for the D's the R's are toast. Texas will turn purple in 2020, maybe in 2016. And if the R's lost Texas, they are finished in the executive branch.

BigRedChief 01-27-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9355901)
Did you bother to read the stats on actual vote counts? A split of the House vote nationwide has nothing to do with "gerrymandering".

BS, Dems got a 1,000,000+ more votes than R's in the house votes. It was gerrymandering.

suzzer99 01-27-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9355901)
Did you bother to read the stats on actual vote counts? A split of the House vote nationwide has nothing to do with "gerrymandering".

Can you try to make your point in English?

Prison Bitch 01-27-2013 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9355905)
As Clinton would say............. It's Demographics stupid.

If Latinos stay at a 70/30 for the D's the R's are toast. Texas will turn purple in 2020, maybe in 2016. And if the R's lost Texas, they are finished in the executive branch.

50% of eligible Latino voters in the USA live in Texas currently, and that state wasn't remotely competitive at any level this year. Now, if you are talking about the national map changing as states like Virginia, North Carolina, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado change demographically, then I would partly agree.

Prison Bitch 01-27-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 9355913)
Can you try to make your point in English?

I'm afraid I won't be able to help you. I pointed out actual vote counts, and you countered with "land mass". So I can only respond to people who address the actual points I made rather than wandering off-point.

BigRedChief 01-27-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9355920)
50% of eligible Latino voters in the USA live in Texas currently, and that state wasn't remotely competitive at any level this year.

You are wrong. Keep your head in the sand. Or maybe you should listen to one of your Texas tea party heroes......



Less than a week after he was elected to the U.S. Senate, Tea Party favorite Ted Cruz (R-Texas) was candid about the GOP's troubles courting Latino voters.


In an interview with The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza, Cruz opened up about concerns in some of the nation's largest states, headed by Texas.
“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community, in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state," he said.


Cruz added that losing a state like Texas, which carried 38 electoral votes in 2012, would hold national implications.


“If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House," he said. "New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party."


Cruz' words paralleled those of Mitt Romney adviser Carlos Gutierrez, who said on Sunday that Latinos were "scared of the Republican party." The former Commerce Secretary attributed that fear to the presidential primary process, which he said forces candidates "to say outrageous things."


President Barack Obama was reelected last Tuesday with the help of near-record levels of Latino support. Various polls found the incumbent Democrat securing more than 70 percent of that voting bloc.

suzzer99 01-27-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9355923)
I'm afraid I won't be able to help you. I pointed out actual vote counts, and you countered with "land mass". So I can only respond to people who address the actual points I made rather than wandering off-point.

A) I said "partly due to gerrymandering".

B) it's becoming obvious you have no idea what gerrymandering is or how it works. Hint: the key is to give your opponent a few gigantic wins, and give yourself a bunch of 55/45 splits. In this way you can win more districts, which are based around physical landmasses, while still losing the popular vote.

suzzer99 01-27-2013 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9355920)
50% of eligible Latino voters in the USA live in Texas currently, and that state wasn't remotely competitive at any level this year. Now, if you are talking about the national map changing as states like Virginia, North Carolina, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado change demographically, then I would partly agree.

Were you a big fan of the Unskewed Polls guy before the election? I have a feeling you were. Even most Republicans who pay attention agree that Texas could become purple in a decade or so.

|Zach| 01-27-2013 04:31 PM

Is not dead.

It is just spineless with no direction.

mlyonsd 01-27-2013 04:38 PM

The entire equation changes completely when federal money dries up as it inevitably will.

Direckshun 01-27-2013 04:41 PM

As long as there's a two party system, the GOP cannot die.

It is systematically sustained by a system rigged to allow only two parties to survive.

Unless the entire party goes full retard for something like a full decade, the GOP will always live on.


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