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RunKC 01-28-2013 11:50 PM

Teicher's Garbage Part Deux: Star's Top 10 QB's
 
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/28...0-grading.html

The Star’s NFL Draft top 10: Grading the QBs
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January 28
BY ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Following last week’s Senior Bowl, we’ve decided to spend this week’s edition of The Star’s NFL Draft top 10 on quarterbacks. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Miami of Ohio’s Zac Dysert, Oklahoma’s Landry Jones and Florida State’s EJ Manuel participated. While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick, keep in mind that with the scouting combine, school and personal workouts and interviews, there’s still time for these prospects and others to climb the board.

• 1. Wilson. He completed eight of 11 passes in the game but for just 40 yards.

• 2. Geno Smith, West Virginia. Opted not to play in the Senior Bowl but can make up ground over the next three months.

• 3. Glennon. Completed eight of 16 passes and had the game’s longest completion of 22 yards.

• 4. Matt Barkley, USC. Didn’t play in the Senior Bowl because of a sprained throwing shoulder.

• 5. Nassib. Was just four of 10 with an interception.

• 6. Tyler Bray, Tennessee. Came out for draft as a junior, so he was ineligible to play in the Senior Bowl.

• 7. Dysert. Was 10 of 16 with a touchdown and an interception.

• 8. Jones. Was just three of nine and was sacked twice.

• 9. Matt Scott, Arizona. Just a one-year starter, but a dual-threat quarterback who can run as well as throw.

• 10. Manuel. Was seven for 10 with a touchdown. He also rushed for a touchdown.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/28...#storylink=cpy

RunKC 01-28-2013 11:52 PM

Barkley>Glennon

Manuel>Jones

Bray>Nassib

Geno is still ahead of Wilson right now too, and I'm a Wilson fan.

SNR 01-28-2013 11:53 PM

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While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick
HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A ****ING JOB

keg in kc 01-28-2013 11:54 PM

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While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick
Based on what?

the Talking Can 01-28-2013 11:56 PM

this is why you should pay for the star....effort

meanwhile, for free, all you get is stuff like this

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...and-geno-smith

NJChiefsFan 01-29-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9360564)
HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A ****ING JOB

Having a job in KC sports media is as easy as it gets.

Exoter175 01-29-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9360560)
Barkley>Glennon

Manuel>Jones

Bray>Nassib

Geno is still ahead of Wilson right now too, and I'm a Wilson fan.

The problem with this whole mess right now, is people don't understand what it is they are ranking, why one player is ahead of another, and so forth. One media outlet ranks guys based on Variable A, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on Variable B, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on where they believe they will be drafted based on team needs and fitment with said teams, and where those teams will draft. People scream at it.


So lets look at the big picture here. While Geno is the unanimous #1 right now, it isn't like he's head and shoulders above the rest, like Luck/RG3 were. This is going to come as a shock to people, but just because Geno is ranked #1 for QB talent in this draft (regardless how little the separation truly is) it doesn't mean he's a lock for the #1 QB taken in the draft, nor the #1 selection. For all we know, Wilson could be the guy who Andy Reid thinks fits our offense the best. Since there is very little actual separation between Wilson and Smith, Wilson could easily be the #1 draft pick. However, if the consensus of our FO believes Wilson will be available in the 2nd round, and is still THE BEST QB in their eyes for this team, they aren't going to spend a #1 draft pick on him. They'll be communicating with other teams to get a feel for where they rank Wilson as well, and might even make a move back into the first round to get him.

The Chiefs could pull a Browns move and go get their Star Tackle with their first selection, then trade back into the first and get their QBOTF with their second selection. Lets just hope it doesn't end up Brady Quinn lol.

Now, if I were to rank them in terms of the play I feel will fit into a Chiefs/Reid mold from the last 2-3 years, I'm going with this.

Smith>Wilson>/only two prospects worth a first rounder right now in my eyes/ > Bray>Barkley(ewww)>Nassib=Glennon>Manuel>life>universe>everything>Jones
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9360575)
this is why you should pay for the star....effort

meanwhile, for free, all you get is stuff like this

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...and-geno-smith

Junk vs. Junk there, a debate for another thread. My 8 year old nephew could put a better analysis together LMAO

KILLER_CLOWN 01-29-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9360655)
The problem with this whole mess right now, is people don't understand what it is they are ranking, why one player is ahead of another, and so forth. One media outlet ranks guys based on Variable A, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on Variable B, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on where they believe they will be drafted based on team needs and fitment with said teams, and where those teams will draft. People scream at it.


So lets look at the big picture here. While Geno is the unanimous #1 right now, it isn't like he's head and shoulders above the rest, like Luck/RG3 were. This is going to come as a shock to people, but just because Geno is ranked #1 for QB talent in this draft (regardless how little the separation truly is) it doesn't mean he's a lock for the #1 QB taken in the draft, nor the #1 selection. For all we know, Wilson could be the guy who Andy Reid thinks fits our offense the best. Since there is very little actual separation between Wilson and Smith, Wilson could easily be the #1 draft pick. However, if the consensus of our FO believes Wilson will be available in the 2nd round, and is still THE BEST QB in their eyes for this team, they aren't going to spend a #1 draft pick on him. They'll be communicating with other teams to get a feel for where they rank Wilson as well, and might even make a move back into the first round to get him.

The Chiefs could pull a Browns move and go get their Star Tackle with their first selection, then trade back into the first and get their QBOTF with their second selection. Lets just hope it doesn't end up Brady Quinn lol.

Now, if I were to rank them in terms of the play I feel will fit into a Chiefs/Reid mold from the last 2-3 years, I'm going with this.

Smith>Wilson>/only two prospects worth a first rounder right now in my eyes/ > Bray>Barkley(ewww)>Nassib=Glennon>Manuel>life>universe>everything>Jones


Junk vs. Junk there, a debate for another thread. My 8 year old nephew could put a better analysis together LMAO

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

Exoter175 01-29-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9360662)
Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-29-2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9360564)
HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A ****ING JOB

this. Lol. Tiecher is really Benny from LA Law...
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KILLER_CLOWN 01-29-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9360669)
That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

NJChiefsFan 01-29-2013 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9360669)
But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

Exoter175 01-29-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9360676)
I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

The best QB available is Geno, but that doesn't mean we are drating him. That doesn't mean that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are going to draft Geno #1.


I'm telling you, this is how this is going to work. If Andy Reid and the FO don't think Smith is worth the #1 pick overall, but believe he's the #1 QB fit for them, they aren't going to pull the trigger with the #1 overall. They'll wait for the 2nd round.

I know this might come as a gigantic surprise to you, but unless there is a "once in a generation" guy out there, each team is going to have their own individual rankings for players to fit within their team and only their team. They aren't going to JUST rank them best overall, and they aren't going to draft them best overall.

For all we know, the Chiefs right now could be sold on Bray as their guy. And do you know what they won't do with that #1 pick? Waste it on a QB they can get in the 2nd round, or waste it on the consensus #1 QB "just cause".

Sweet Jesus, its like 99.7% of you are on this "We have to draft the #1 QB with the #1 pick or the Chiefs are dead to me" kick.

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake. If it just so happens that Geno is the #1 guy FOR US, then there is absolutely NO QUESTION that we'll draft him #1 overall.

What you need to remember is that YOU and I do not make that call. The Chiefs do.

Exoter175 01-29-2013 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9360690)
I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

You aren't getting it.

I'll dumb it down.

Lets say Geno is the #1 guy for us, but is guaranteed to be there in the second round.

Do you really want us to waste the #1 on a guy we could get in the 2nd round?

keg in kc 01-29-2013 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9360692)
Have a little faith in your team for christs sake.

Sounds like a great idea after the last 40 years.


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