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BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 01:22 PM

Myths and Truths about Libertarianism
 
"Libertarianism is the fastest growing political creed in America today. Before judging and evaluating libertarianism, it is vitally important to find out precisely what that doctrine is, and, more particularly, what it is not. It is especially important to clear up a number of misconceptions about libertarianism that are held by most people, and particularly by conservatives. In this essay I shall enumerate and critically analyze the most common myths that are held about libertarianism. When these are cleared away, people will then be able to discuss libertarianism free of egregious myths and misconceptions, and to deal with it as it should be on its very own merits or demerits." ~ Murray N. Rothbard. a founder of modern libertarianism


Just for starters

BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 01:23 PM

Murray Rothbard famously said we can tell a real libertarian, anarchist or minarchist, from other orientations by this test: do you hate the state?

Beltway Libertarianism

CrazyPhuD 01-30-2013 01:44 PM

I don't hate the state but I do tend to think the only people we elect are sociopaths.....

But that's our fault as much as theirs.

listopencil 01-30-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365177)
Murray Rothbard famously said we can tell a real libertarian, anarchist or minarchist, from other orientations by this test: do you hate the state?

Beltway Libertarianism

I don't know if I would go so far as to say I hate the State. I have a begrudging, disrespectful acknowledgement of the necessity for it.

cosmo20002 01-30-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9365252)
I don't know if I would go so far as to say I hate the State. I have a begrudging, disrespectful acknowledgement of the necessity for it.

I saw a story a couple weeks ago about the rise of proposals for planned "libertarian" communities. Glenn Beck was behind one of these proposed communities. I guess it would be some libertarian utopia where you could act as libertarian as you want. So, to ensure the libertarian-ness of the communities, there are all these rules and regulations so they can ensure the libertarian purity. :facepalm:

BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9365252)
I don't know if I would go so far as to say I hate the State. I have a begrudging, disrespectful acknowledgement of the necessity for it.

Yeah, but where do you draw the line on it, is the question? Because that statement is what paleo-conservatives believe too. A paleo is a limited govt person, but based on the Constitution. It supports local values of people. They just don't go as far as a libertarian. So there are libertarian centralizers who do like to use the state. Men like Randy Barnett and Roger Pilon.

Most of the guys over at Lew's are really true libertarians. The often mock who they consider false libertarians. That's why it says: "Anti-state, anti-war and pro-market." That is right libertarianism.

I couldn't find the other Rothbard article on it which I thought was better.

Chocolate Hog 01-30-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365177)
Murray Rothbard famously said we can tell a real libertarian, anarchist or minarchist, from other orientations by this test: do you hate the state?

Beltway Libertarianism

You probably hate Rothbard he supported Bush.

listopencil 01-30-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9365281)
I saw a story a couple weeks ago about the rise of proposals for planned "libertarian" communities. Glenn Beck was behind one of these proposed communities. I guess it would be some libertarian utopia where you could act as libertarian as you want. So, to ensure the libertarian-ness of the communities, there are all these rules and regulations so they can ensure the libertarian purity. :facepalm:

ROFL

bandwagonjumper 01-30-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365175)
"Libertarianism is the fastest growing political creed in America today. Before judging and evaluating libertarianism, it is vitally important to find out precisely what that doctrine is, and, more particularly, what it is not. It is especially important to clear up a number of misconceptions about libertarianism that are held by most people, and particularly by conservatives. In this essay I shall enumerate and critically analyze the most common myths that are held about libertarianism. When these are cleared away, people will then be able to discuss libertarianism free of egregious myths and misconceptions, and to deal with it as it should be on its very own merits or demerits." ~ Murray N. Rothbard. a founder of modern libertarianism


Just for




starters

Its funny but the first name to come mind when I hear libertarian is Marquis de Sade. For me libertarianism means absolute freedom and no interference by the state in your private behaviour. As Marquis de Sade showed it might be enjoyable for you but not so much for other people.

BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagonjumper (Post 9365299)
Its funny but the first name to come mind when I hear libertarian is Marquis de Sade. For me libertarianism means absolute freedom and no interference by the state in your private behaviour. As Marquis de Sade showed it might be enjoyable for you but not so much for other people.

Except that's where libertarians draw the line. The aggression doctrine is the fundamental basis that unites all types of libertarians. Since the state is aggressive force, because it relies on a gun to a person's head to comply or go to jail, they want as little as possible. So they feel that if they're not harming someone else directly, then there should be no govt interference. They consider these victimless crimes. It wouldn't be based on if it's enjoyable for other people though.

cosmo20002 01-30-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365287)
Yeah, but where do you draw the line on it, is the question? Because that statement is what paleo-conservatives believe too. A paleo is a limited govt person, but based on the Constitution. It supports local values of people. They just don't go as far as a libertarian. So there are libertarian centralizers who do like to use the state. Men like Randy Barnett and Roger Pilon.

Most of the guys over at Lew's are really true libertarians. The often mock who they consider false libertarians. That's why it says: "Anti-state, anti-war and pro-market." That is right libertarianism.

I couldn't find the other Rothbard article on it which I thought was better.

I can't even tell you the disappointment. I really can't.

But what a tease--get us all jacked up on Murray Rothbard--the FOUNDER of modern libertarianism--- and his "famous" quotes, and then you tell us there an even better article out there.

BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9365294)
You probably hate Rothbard he supported Bush.

Link

BucEyedPea 01-30-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9365297)
ROFL

Beck is continously mocked for calling himself a libertarian by the Rothbardians. He's a joke to them.

listopencil 01-30-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365287)
Yeah, but where do you draw the line on it, is the question?

I draw the line at only those things that are necessary for our society to function. That means that I'm not always going to get what I want. I am always going to think that the government is too intrusive, and I'm always going to think that the law is too overbearing.

listopencil 01-30-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 9365317)
Beck is continously mocked for calling himself a libertarian by the Rothbardians. He's a joke to them.

Well, to be honest, I think Glenn Beck could be considered a joke by anyone.


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