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listopencil 03-03-2013 07:55 PM

The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking
 
Thirteen years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitlerís reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.

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Comrade Crapski 03-03-2013 07:57 PM

I dunno.

It's kinda hard to top "human lampshades" but I'll take a whirl.

jspchief 03-03-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Comrade Crapski (Post 9461635)
I dunno.

It's kinda hard to top "human lampshades" but I'll take a whirl.

Yeah. The holocaust is pretty much maxed out on shock factor.

listopencil 03-03-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Comrade Crapski (Post 9461635)
I dunno.

It's kinda hard to top "human lampshades" but I'll take a whirl.

I read the article. It was just more ****ed up and more widespread than earlier thought. At the end of the article the author insinuates that it was so widespread that the general populace pretty much had to know what was going on.

Bowser 03-03-2013 08:01 PM

Wow

jspchief 03-03-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9461641)
...insinuates that it was so widespread that the general populace pretty much had to know what was going on.

This was never in question imo.

LiveSteam 03-03-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9461648)
This was never in question imo.

I agree. No way the hole country didnt know what was going on inside those facilities. Just not possible

listopencil 03-03-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9461648)
This was never in question imo.

I had thought that there was a belief that a lot of German citizens weren't aware of how bad it was...but the more I hear the more it seems like it couldn't have been like that.

Comrade Crapski 03-03-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9461641)
I read the article. It was just more ****ed up and more widespread than earlier thought. At the end of the article the author insinuates that it was so widespread that the general populace pretty much had to know what was going on.

And the evidence we had before left a doubt?

I've read easily about fifty books on the holocaust, and I can tell you this "new" information doesn't "shock" me any more or any less.

If this new information gives peace to the survivors of these off the beaten track places, then yeah, the story needs to be told.

People who were murdered in Klooga Estonia need to have there memories preserved as have the victims in Auswitz.

I certainly wouldn't want to offend anybody who has an interest in that.

But it does get to a point like the mass murderer Josef Stalin said

"one murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

The bastard got that right.

Peace.

listopencil 03-03-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Comrade Crapski (Post 9461715)
And the evidence we had before left a doubt?

I think it's more that I just want to believe, somehow, that an entire country didn't go along with this horrible crap. That's not really possible though.

BigRedChief 03-03-2013 08:30 PM

I spent over 100 hours asking questions and filming holocaust survivors about their experiences. No, I'm not shocked.

Frazod 03-03-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9461687)
I had thought that there was a belief that a lot of German citizens weren't aware of how bad it was...but the more I hear the more it seems like it couldn't have been like that.

Not really sure what unarmed civilians could have done about it, though. I don't think picketing a bunch of murderous SS goons would have ended well for them. I figure they mostly just tried not to think about it and hoped they'd never do anything to get tossed in as well.

Another one of the shitty things about being unarmed.

BigRedChief 03-03-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9461729)
I think it's more that I just want to believe, somehow, that an entire country didn't go along with this horrible crap. That's not really possible though.

They had to know. Too much evidence. They had to have participated in supplying the camps.

BigRedChief 03-03-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9461778)
Not really sure what unarmed civilians could have done about it, though. I don't think picketing a bunch of murderous SS goons would have ended well for them. I figure they mostly just tried not to think about it and hoped they'd never do anything to get tossed in as well.

Another one of the shitty things about being unarmed.

The Germans were armed. They wanted Hitler in power. There was no desire to use their guns on him and his goons. They were happy until the last few years.

Comrade Crapski 03-03-2013 08:40 PM

And just for the record, 4 million victims were not Jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWzpCHNAaFM

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